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With so many Vlaka being born blind or deaf, it is quite possible that they regard those who can see and hear as having extra abilities, not those who are blind or deaf as lacking something.

What does seem to be lacking is any sort of common baseline. Are Vlaka who are both blind and deaf common but unsuited to the adventuring life, or does every Vlaka have some sense that many others of his kind lack?


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My own two cents, I do tend to regard anyone who was born blind or deaf refusing a medical procedure to give them sight or hearing to at best be making an inherently uninformed decision.


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As much as medical ethics and accusing parents of medical neglect is fascinating, can we please go back to discussing upcoming starfinder products and what we're hoping for?

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Please keep the thread on subject and let's not make sweeping generalizations about other folks. Even if you do not understand someone else's choices, you can still be respectful and kind. There are plenty of online resources that detail out the many reasons that folks may avoid specific types of intervention if you wish to understand more.

"His rejection of his implant drives at a larger point that hearing people don't always understand: Many in the deaf community don't want to be "fixed" to become more like hearing people."

"Diversity requires mutual respect for individual differences and choices." -NAD's Position Statement on Cochlear Implants


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MER-c wrote:
Coming from the not seeing well side of things, I can tell you for certain that despite my vision being totally borked and have other issues on top of it, I wouldn't fix it for anything. I was actually offered the chance to take part in a test of an experimental device that could help my eyes, I declined, and the reason I declined is that I've gone so long not having the ability to see clearly that losing that wouldn't be fixing anything for me, it'd be taking away part of myself.

Yes, and you, as a ( presumptive ) adult have it perfectly within your right to make an informed decision about medical procedures.

The issue is not adults declining medical treatment. The issue is parents refusing to provide all necessary medical care for their children, who are too young to provide informed consent. The personal beliefs of parents are not a valid reason for denying their children proper medical care, and that includes treatment for treatable genetic conditions.


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Elegos wrote:
can we please go back to discussing upcoming starfinder products and what we're hoping for?

Based on all the heated debate, I suppose vlakas without a sense of smell or taste are pretty much number one in most wishlists.

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I suppose it bears repeating... Please keep this thread on subject.


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Adam Daigle wrote:
I suppose it bears repeating... Please keep this thread on subject.

I know what will help. A sneak peek announcement of new Starfinder product!

*innocent look*

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Some books I want to see:

Serious:
Pact World Magic
Near Space
Inside the Armada: Spaceships and more
The Veskarium
Organizations, Cults and Conspiracies
Stuff for Solarians
Starships
Sacred Spaces

Stretch:
Down and Out in the Pact Worlds
Starfinder Sing-a-Long
Pact World's Restaurant Guide

Adventures that I'd Like to Do:
Skittershot 2
Any kind of Starfinder Murder Mystery
SFS AP: Death of a Xenodruid
SFS AP: Hello, Hellknight!
SFS AP: Triune's Gift, Part II
SFS AP: Repairing the Starstone (3 Part, Levels 12-15)
SFS AP: Zo!

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Adam Daigle wrote:
I suppose it bears repeating... Please keep this thread on subject.

"Alien Archive 3: Extra Flumph Edition"

Please?

"Ultimate Gap" - Your choice of 300 pages of blank paper or a PDF which changes each time you read it.

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I think we should produce the Ultimate Gap coloring book!


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Hmm wrote:
Skittershot 2

Skitter double shot?


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I would love a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy adventure path, and a robot factory Golem foundry race war adventure path... or a guide to build golems.


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Still holding out of ultimate deserts. Vesk's ideas of cream-filled foods would be damn scary.

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I love the idea of a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy style adventure path.

As for the Zo! AP, let me clarify that I think it would be really interesting to do a 'Halls of the Living' AP where your team is competing against other teams for fame and glory in Eox's reality TV programs. I think it could at most go only 3 parts, and I would love for it to include material for promotional tours, behind the scenes machinations and Eoxian politics as well as diving back in for rematch.

Hmm


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Hmm wrote:

I love the idea of a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy style adventure path.

As for the Zo! AP, let me clarify that I think it would be really interesting to do a 'Halls of the Living' AP where your team is competing against other teams for fame and glory in Eox's reality TV programs. I think it could at most go only 3 parts, and I would love for it to include material for promotional tours, behind the scenes machinations and Eoxian politics as well as diving back in for rematch.

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SURVIVOR! Literal edition

Amazing Races Race

Around the Pact Worlds in 80 days

A wing and a prayer (as in that's literally what you're given to start your starship with)

Big Brother Eye

Myth Bunker Busters

Beat the Clock (Abalon Robot boxing reality tv show, co hosted by Chris "the clock" Cogson)

Who wants to be Alive?

Dog Eat dog (series currently on hiatus until we solve the xenowarden infestation on the set)

Meal or no Meal?

Absolom Ninja warriors

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Yeah I think most of those could work as challenges in a Halls of the Living campaign.


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My personal campaign is a Shadowrun-inspired Eoxian reality show where the PCs have to complete their secret objectives while avoiding the camera and making sure they put on a good show. The PCs are a korasha lashunta soldier, a space goblin operative, a halfling envoy, and a ysoki mechanic, which is great because nobody is taller than the human NPC star of the show...


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In my campaign there's a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing with an educational "puppet show" on the Eoxian Public Broadcasting company called Escape Room .

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Those sound like fun home brews!

I didn't know you had a home campaign, Dracmicron. When do you sleep?

Captain Yesterday, the gnome looks good on you!

Hmm


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I didn't know you had a home campaign, Dracmicron. When do you sleep?

Hah, I am not nearly as reliable to show up at Starfinder Society meetups as I used to be, these days. I use the spare time for the Sleep of the Righteous.


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My wish list:
1. A Alien/Monster/NPC codex.
2. The Sarfinder equivalent of the Inner Sea Gods book with new information and art about the Starfinder Deities. A bunch of classic and new outsiders for the PC to fight would be nice as well.
3. Starfinder Modules


a magic focused book
new class options focused book
and book wiht new classes


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I don't think my list has changed (though, the generic monsters in AA2 took away half my reason for wanting a beastiary and dropped it down on my list)...

1. Veskarium/Near Space source book a la Pact Worlds
2. Magic of the Pact Words source book with new spells, feats, magic items, archetypes, and class features a la armory but specifically related to magic/magitech.
3. Azlanti Star Empire/Vast source book a la Pact Worlds.
4. 'Advanced Players Guide' with new classes, class features, archetypes, feats, generic themes.
5. Ships of the Galaxy source book with new ships, ship parts, expanded starship combat rules, class features, feats, starship monsters, et al a la armory but specifically related to starships.
6. A full 300+ page bestiary with all the PF iconic monsters and new aliens (but no PC races).


pithica42 wrote:


1. Veskarium/Near Space source book a la Pact Worlds

I want a Veskarium-based space barbarian class.

Or star gladiator.

One themed class per solar system sounds reasonable.


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The Ragi wrote:
pithica42 wrote:


1. Veskarium/Near Space source book a la Pact Worlds

I want a Veskarium-based space barbarian class.

Or star gladiator.

One themed class per solar system sounds reasonable.

Gladiator is already a theme, though... seems that you should be able to make a gladiator out of any class, really.

I think a dedicated rage-based Soldier fighting style would be good for a barbarian-equivalent. Maybe an archetype.

Not sure why it would be Veskarium-based, though; the Vesk are more aligned with the Roman Empire than the barbarian hordes.


Hmm wrote:
I think we should produce the Ultimate Gap coloring book!

It's an educational children's coloring book filled with busts of important historical key figures of the pact worlds with empty heads so you fill in their thoughts.

.....OH look it's Aleksana Guryari!

......let's get inside that android's head and see what they saw on the first known travel through the drift!


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Pseudodult wrote:

......let's get inside that android's head and see what they saw on the first known travel through the drift!

*cue 60s psycadelic music and a nuar barfing all over the console as the ship starts to spin wildly *

Ysoki tourguide "you know people always SAY they want historical accuracy.. until they get it"


What now?

Well:
- APs are going
- Armory 2 can happen
- Alien Archive 3 can happen
- [Pact Worlds] 2 can happen

As for new products, I'd liek to get:
- Core Races Expansions
- Legacy Races Expansions
- Legacy Classes Expansions (geez, just lay down the mecanics already...)


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I would not mind an advanced players guide with more classes and class options.


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Dave2 wrote:

I would not mind an advanced players guide with more classes and class options.

Call it the EXPLORER'S GUIDE

Spoiler:
TO THE GALAXY


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Sounds good to me


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Dracomicron wrote:
The Ragi wrote:
pithica42 wrote:


1. Veskarium/Near Space source book a la Pact Worlds

I want a Veskarium-based space barbarian class.

Or star gladiator.

One themed class per solar system sounds reasonable.

Gladiator is already a theme, though... seems that you should be able to make a gladiator out of any class, really.

I think a dedicated rage-based Soldier fighting style would be good for a barbarian-equivalent. Maybe an archetype.

Not sure why it would be Veskarium-based, though; the Vesk are more aligned with the Roman Empire than the barbarian hordes.

when rome was awesomest (late roman decadence ftw) it hired LOTS of German tribesmen (barbarians) to do its fighting for it.

might be something which the vesk do as well.


I'm eagerly awaiting a book with one or more new classes. Right now, I really just keep ending up wanting to play Operative. A charisma-based caster might help a little there.

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