What turned Zon-Kuthon evil in the first place?


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Does it say anywhere? Even the wiki just says he met a malevolent entity in the Dark Tapestry but doesn't elaborate. Is it supposed to be for the DM to decide? I was thinking it should be Nyarlathotep since he is by far the most evil of the Outer Gods. Also I am wondering if what corrupted him is the same thing that corrupted the void dragons (as it says they were corrupted by something really scary in the Dark Tapestry as well)


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It could have been that he discovered nothing out there. Just ages and ages of exploring, alone, a vast an empty cosmos. That kind of experience might be enough to drive even a god to madness...

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It's meant for the GM to decide. Personally, i might go with the equivalent of a helm of opposite alignment, just so we know that yes, even gods can forget to check the new bling for traps or curses.


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The massive nerfs to the spiked chain between 3.5 and PF.


I would think there might be some similarities between the corruption of Dou Bral (Zon Kuthon) and the corruption of mortals into Kytons.

I don't remember the name, but in Horror Adventures there were rules for a shadow corruption or something like that. It sapped away positivity in someone's life and made them destroy art and beauty. Interesting read.


What I'd like to know is since when places past the edge of the Great Beyond (where Dou-Bral went) is the same as the dark places between the stars (the Dark Tapestry).


Too many spankings


according to the wiki he did go to Dark Tapestry (well it says the "dark places between the planes" but that phrase is a hotlink to the Dark Tapestry page).


So either he went to listen to Azathoth's babbling, just got conned by one of the trickier outer gods, or he went beyond what we know PF's cosmology to be and somehow stepped ... Outside, someplace else.

Honestly, I'd be fine with both.
Well, him just having been manipulated by Nyarly or someone else would maybe be a tad disappointing, but he was probably desperate enough to be ripe for the picking.

More seriously, you're not about to get an official answer before Shelyn comes back from her "investigation", and that's a Starfinder background thing. One I don't expect to see resolved.
Even the gods simply do not know, apparently.
None willing to talk at least.
Ok, maybe Asmodeus.


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Considering how Lawful he ended up being, I'd rule out most of the Outer Gods- he's more Clive Barker than Lovecraft, after all.


Is there any official info on what's outside the outer planes? All I remember is some speculation that the qlippoth originally came from there and might have found their way into the Abyss somehow.


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I like to think it involved the Dominion of the Black. They don't get enough screen time!


Game of Truth or Dare gone horribly, horribly wrong. The "Zon Kuthon" thing is part of the last dare.


I've always wondered about the Dominion Of The Black. At first I thought they had something to do with the Outer Gods but it turns out they are a completely separate force. Does Starfinder give any more info about them?


With a name like Zon-Kuthon, was there any hope for him in the first place?


Long John wrote:
With a name like Zon-Kuthon, was there any hope for him in the first place?

How well do you think Dou-Bral would have fared? That's the name he went by before becoming Evil.


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The Sideromancer wrote:
Long John wrote:
With a name like Zon-Kuthon, was there any hope for him in the first place?
How well do you think Dou-Bral would have fared? That's the name he went by before becoming Evil.

Poor guy didn't have a chance. It's the hyphen that did it.

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I think he entered a plane that only has children's programming on TV and he was forced to watch too much Teletubbies.


Are there any pictures of what he looked like before turning evil?


Not that I know of, but I believe he was the God of beauty before he was corrupted. So, likely pure perfection; a male version of Shelyn.

In some way he still deeply loves his sister, and his clergy are forbidden from harming the faithful off Shelyn unless necessary.


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When Dou-Bral grew jealous of his sister's talents, he abandoned Golarion for the dark places between the planes, and there was tormented and possessed by an alien being.

Sounds like he was already in a pretty dark place, before meeting any alien beings. I wouldn't be surprised if he was looking to get corrupted when he left.

Or alternatively, he was already being corrupted before he ever left for the dark places.


Yqatuba wrote:
I've always wondered about the Dominion Of The Black. At first I thought they had something to do with the Outer Gods but it turns out they are a completely separate force. Does Starfinder give any more info about them?

Not yet, other than that the cults of the great old ones and the dominion had a spat and the cults kicked the dominion off of Aucturn.

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