paizo.com Recent Posts in Missing Action: Purely Mental Castingpaizo.com Recent Posts in Missing Action: Purely Mental Casting2018-09-29T00:15:25Z2018-09-29T00:15:25ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingDraco18shttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#102018-10-01T03:12:34Z2018-09-30T15:45:01Z<p>Little do you know that "HA!" and "HOO!" are actually words of power. ;P</p>Little do you know that "HA!" and "HOO!" are actually words of power. ;PDraco18s2018-09-30T15:45:01ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingDrejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#92018-09-30T12:07:15Z2018-09-30T12:07:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fuzzypaws wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Drejk wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote> I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use. </blockquote><p>With all the casting actions merged into one and subtypes applied it could take as much space as the current description of three separate actions.
<p>And it isn't future issue, as it would affect things such as Silent Spell, Still Spell, and monk's Ki Powers in the core rulebook. Having silent monk who has to speak to use his meditative powers is just wrong. </blockquote>Kiai involves breath control and shouting. Verbal component seems appropriate. It doesn't have to be <i>words</i> and usually isn't. </blockquote><p>Incorrect. From the description of Verbal Casting action:
<p>"In a loud and strong voice, you <b>vocalize words</b> of
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power, providing a verbal component for a spell."</p>
<p>Vocalize words. Explicitly.</p>
<p>And you completely ignore the surrounding mechanics — Verbal Casting action has auditory trait which means that <i>silence</i> and similar effects will shut it down, which should not affect monks.</p>Fuzzypaws wrote:Drejk wrote: Captain Morgan wrote: I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use.
With all the casting actions merged into one and subtypes applied it could take as much space as the current description of three separate actions. And it isn't future issue, as it would affect things such as Silent...Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)2018-09-30T12:07:15ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingFuzzypaws (alias of Bug Underfoot)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#82018-09-29T23:08:12Z2018-09-29T23:08:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Drejk wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote> I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use. </blockquote><p>With all the casting actions merged into one and subtypes applied it could take as much space as the current description of three separate actions.
<p>And it isn't future issue, as it would affect things such as Silent Spell, Still Spell, and monk's Ki Powers in the core rulebook. Having silent monk who has to speak to use his meditative powers is just wrong. </blockquote><p>Kiai involves breath control and shouting. Verbal component seems appropriate. It doesn't have to be <i>words</i> and usually isn't.Drejk wrote:Captain Morgan wrote: I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use.
With all the casting actions merged into one and subtypes applied it could take as much space as the current description of three separate actions. And it isn't future issue, as it would affect things such as Silent Spell, Still Spell,...Fuzzypaws (alias of Bug Underfoot)2018-09-29T23:08:12ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingDrejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#72018-09-30T20:25:51Z2018-09-29T22:28:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote> I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use. </blockquote><p>With all the casting actions merged into one and subtypes applied it could take as much space as the current description of three separate actions.
<p>And it isn't future issue, as it would affect things such as Silent Spell, Still Spell, and monk's Ki Powers in the core rulebook. Having silent monk who has to speak to use his meditative powers is just wrong.</p>Captain Morgan wrote:I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use.
With all the casting actions merged into one and subtypes applied it could take as much space as the current description of three separate actions. And it isn't future issue, as it would affect things such as Silent Spell, Still Spell, and monk's Ki...Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)2018-09-29T22:28:52ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingData Lore (alias of Datalore)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#62018-09-29T17:45:17Z2018-09-29T17:45:17Z<p>I am sure when the Psionics Splat book comes out there will be some casters that can replace certain casting actions with Concentrate actions or some such.</p>
<p>Also, I am willing to bet some Psionic stuff will still require the occaisional meditative chant (verbal), kata (somatic) or psicrystal (material) components to get off certain effects.</p>
<p>It wont break the action economy either way.</p>I am sure when the Psionics Splat book comes out there will be some casters that can replace certain casting actions with Concentrate actions or some such.
Also, I am willing to bet some Psionic stuff will still require the occaisional meditative chant (verbal), kata (somatic) or psicrystal (material) components to get off certain effects.
It wont break the action economy either way.Data Lore (alias of Datalore)2018-09-29T17:45:17ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingDraco18shttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#52018-09-29T14:34:00Z2018-09-29T14:34:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bardarok wrote:</div><blockquote> I would expect Psychic casters will simply be able to replace all components with Mental components similar to how bards can replace all components with instrument playing. </blockquote><p>The problem here is that Material and Somatic have the Manipulate Trait (and Verbal does not).Bardarok wrote:I would expect Psychic casters will simply be able to replace all components with Mental components similar to how bards can replace all components with instrument playing.
The problem here is that Material and Somatic have the Manipulate Trait (and Verbal does not).Draco18s2018-09-29T14:34:00ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingCaptain Morganhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#42018-10-01T03:11:39Z2018-09-29T14:07:14Z<p>I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use.</p>I don't see what the problem is? There not being purely mental casting actions now doesn't mean there can't be later. And they shouldn't waste pages in a core rulebook on things nothing in the core rulebook can actually use.Captain Morgan2018-09-29T14:07:14ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingDrejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#32018-09-29T18:50:41Z2018-09-29T00:39:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bardarok wrote:</div><blockquote> I would expect Psychic casters will simply be able to replace all components with Mental components similar to how bards can replace all components with instrument playing. </blockquote><p>Yeah, except there is no Psychic component (Mental is a trait that replaced old mind-affecting descriptor). This is what I am complaining about and propose a streamlining.Bardarok wrote:I would expect Psychic casters will simply be able to replace all components with Mental components similar to how bards can replace all components with instrument playing.
Yeah, except there is no Psychic component (Mental is a trait that replaced old mind-affecting descriptor). This is what I am complaining about and propose a streamlining.Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)2018-09-29T00:39:13ZRe: Forums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingBardarokhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#22018-09-29T00:24:59Z2018-09-29T00:24:59Z<p>I would expect Psychic casters will simply be able to replace all components with Mental components similar to how bards can replace all components with instrument playing.</p>I would expect Psychic casters will simply be able to replace all components with Mental components similar to how bards can replace all components with instrument playing.Bardarok2018-09-29T00:24:59ZForums: Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells: Missing Action: Purely Mental CastingDrejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ara?Missing-Action-Purely-Mental-Casting#12018-09-29T00:15:25Z2018-09-29T00:15:25Z<p>The spell-casting rules lack a vital subtype of casting action that would be composed of purely mental activity, separate from Verbal, Somatic, or Material casting. This voids possibility of psychic casters, mind-bending aberrations using their own weird magic, and creates such weirdness as Verbal components being used by Ki Powers...</p>
<p>Proposal:</p>
<p>Merge all the casting actions into a single Casting action, with Verbal, Somatic, or Material subtype applied according to specific spell or ability, with possibility of action using none of those to represent purely-mental casting.</p>The spell-casting rules lack a vital subtype of casting action that would be composed of purely mental activity, separate from Verbal, Somatic, or Material casting. This voids possibility of psychic casters, mind-bending aberrations using their own weird magic, and creates such weirdness as Verbal components being used by Ki Powers...
Proposal:
Merge all the casting actions into a single Casting action, with Verbal, Somatic, or Material subtype applied according to specific spell or...Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)2018-09-29T00:15:25Z