If a monster has Improved Combat Maneuver (Grapple) with a bite attack with Grab of +10, and it has a target grappled, does that mean on the following round it has a +14 to the bite attack role or only needs to hit the targets KAC+4 in order to maintain the Grapple?
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Neither.
First, attacks with the Grab ability already only need to hit KAC+4 to grapple.
Second, Improved Combat Maneuver would apply if the creature made a grapple combat maneuver, instead of a bite, but would not, RAW, have any effect on a bite with grab at all.
EDIT: If a creature had the Clutch ability of the Rauzhant (Dead Suns 1, not used in the AP), which makes a free combat maneuver roll to grapple, after hitting with the bite, then the feat would matter.
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NPCs and monsters usually don't have feats anyhow.
HammerJack wrote: EDIT: If a creature had the Clutch ability of the Rauzhant (Dead Suns 1, not used in the AP), which makes a free combat maneuver roll to grapple, after hitting with the bite, then the feat would matter. So then I would only have to hit KAC then?
Ravingdork - It's from the new AP.
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Clutch works like Pathfinder grab. After the attack hits normal KAC, a grapple combat maneuver check is made as a separate roll as a free action. In that case, the feat would give the grapple check only a +4 to hit. Barring other bonuses, that would mean a grapple that had to hit KAC+4.
In the case of a creature that has grab and improved combat maneuver, 2 things can happen:
1. The creature bites. If it hits KAC, it does damage. If it hits KAC+4, it does damage and also grapples. The feat does not change this in any way.
2. The creature does not attack, but instead makes a grapple combat maneuver. If it hits KAC+4, it grapples. This would have been KAC+8, without the feat.
EDIT: I also just checked the creature you're asking about. There is no case where it grapples on less than KAC+4. The feat is basically useless to it.
HammerJack wrote: Clutch works like Pathfinder grab. After the attack hits normal KAC, a grapple combat maneuver check is made as a separate roll as a free action. In that case, the feat would give the grapple check only a +4 to hit. Barring other bonuses, that would mean a grapple that had to hit KAC+4.
In the case of a creature that has grab and improved combat maneuver, 2 things can happen:
1. The creature bites. If it hits KAC, it does damage. If it hits KAC+4, it does damage and also grapples. The feat does not change this in any way.
2. The creature does not attack, but instead makes a grapple combat maneuver. If it hits KAC+4, it grapples. This would have been KAC+8, without the feat.
EDIT: I also just checked the creature you're asking about. There is no case where it grapples on less than KAC+4. The feat is basically useless to it.
Thank you HammerJack!
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