A pride of lions, a ??? of tigers.


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I'm being forgetful. What is a group of tigers called? (This isn't a joke, btw!)


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An ambush or streak, though they're solitary in the wild and only form social groups when in captivity.


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Thanks, Captain!


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Any time!

Mind if I ask what it's for. :-)

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An ambush by an ambush streak of tigers clearly assualting those haughty lions intruiding on their turf


captain yesterday wrote:

Any time!

Mind if I ask what it's for. :-)

I'm working on something for an upcoming Kickstarter project...


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Guys, it's clearly a tactics of lions. I mean... come on.

(It's been less than a year! This is a legitimate post! You don't know!)


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My knowledge of tigers comes solely from playing Zoo Tycoon, and I haven't even done that in years.


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All white tigers are descended from two parent white tigers. The strain is so inbred that many don't make it to adulthood and there's at least one case of a white tiger with Down's Syndrome.

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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
All white tigers are descended from two parent white tigers. The strain is so inbred that many don't make it to adulthood and there's at least one case of a white tiger with Down's Syndrome.

Wight Tigers, on the other hand, can be pretty nasty.

Five negative levels on a successful pounce is adding yet more injury to what was already pretty darn injurious!


DungeonmasterCal wrote:
All white tigers are descended from two parent white tigers. The strain is so inbred that many don't make it to adulthood and there's at least one case of a white tiger with Down's Syndrome.

Fascinating. Is it impossible to save the strain, then?


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I really don't know. I think there's a movement among several big cat rescues to get the practice of breeding them stopped completely as it causes the offspring so many problems. Granted, many grow up to be healthy tigers, but as time goes on the bloodline will just get weaker.


DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I really don't know. I think there's a movement among several big cat rescues to get the practice of breeding them stopped completely as it causes the offspring so many problems. Granted, many grow up to be healthy tigers, but as time goes on the bloodline will just get weaker.

Interesting. If everything is recessive, would it be possible to create one or two “hybrid” generations before reemergence? Sounds extremely expensive and possibly prohibitively long-term, but it might be preferable to losing the genetic potential? As a non-geneticist, it should be clear, have NO idea what I’m talking about! I’m mostly just asking.


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You're at least scientifically credible as anyone in...never mind. That'll get political.

It wouldn't bother me if the white variety was kept from breeding anymore, at least with other of the same stripe. Get it! Stripe? I kill me.

I'm serious, though. They're bred for circuses and private owners as vanity pets. I think it should stop. But I'm a bleeding heart animal lover.

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I'm serious, though. They're bred for circuses and private owners as vanity pets. I think it should stop. But I'm a bleeding heart animal lover.

My grandmother raised tiger and lion cubs for an animal park. They'd get them shipped up from Texas (where there were no laws worth mentioning regarding owning and breeding them, and you could find 'caged hunt' places where you could pay to shoot a tied-up tiger and take it home stuffed and display to call yourself a 'big game hunter'), but so young that half of them would die without the sort of intensive care and attention that the animal park staff couldn't manage to devote to just one or two tiny animals.

One of the other animal afficionados she met in Missouri 'collected' white tigers, and had previously kept them in chain-link enclosures that she unwisely placed too close to each other. The tigers couldn't quite reach each other by placing their paws through the links and stretching out, but could just reach each others paws, similarly thrust through the fences and she had *three* white tigers who were missing a paw, because of the infections that would result from these 'slapfights.' Sheer lunacy. If they'd set the cages a foot further apart, this wouldn't have happened, but by the time they realized what was going on and could move the cages, it was already a done deal.

Ultimately, I'm of two minds on white tigers (or similar overbred animals that primarily exist because we like the way they look);

A) yes, unnatural, and unhealthy in the long-term to the species, best to let them die out and learn to appreciate the normal colorations of the species.

B) as depressing as this is, 'looks attractive to humans' has become a survival trait for these tigers, and it's as valid as any other adaptation, such as domesticity in dogs.


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That's a good point.


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Two different questions here. First, could the strain survive? Sure. If they breed with other tigers, no problem. They won't be white, though. Some might be, many will carry the genes. The other question is will they survive if they only breed within the group? Not bloody likely. Immune systems depend on genetic variability, and they don't have any since they come from only two individuals. This was the genetic bottleneck that caused the native American vulnerability to measles, it is the reason cheetahs have a hard time with infections, and so on.


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Only tangentially related to a discussion that's months out of date, but, according to a rando white dude on the web, trophy hunting isn't (always) the problem and can (sometimes) be useful to conservation.

A less animated article about the subject. (It is less sympathetic to the idea, though it doesn't directly oppose the argument, rather noting a moral distaste and uncertainty about it.)

((The video was from 2016; the article 2017.))

As I have gone hunting exactly zero times in life, I have no horse in this race puuuuuun? beyond vaguely agreeing that doing something worthwhile to prevent loss of habitat and limit illegal hunting should be done. Sure would be helpful if there was more money in doing things the legitimate way. But I thought it worth throwing out there.

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