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I'm not trying to be negative, but it kinda feels like Starfinder has been forgotten during the hubbub of the PF2 playtest. We don't have an announcement for a book after Alien Archive 2, nothing forthcoming about any of the Starfinder miniature lines, no additional accessories except for the Beginner Box.
Heck, Starfinder's splash page on the website is proudly proclaiming that the Pact Worlds book is releasing this month! That was in April. Here we are, almost 6 months later...
Just seems... worrisome for the future of Starfinder.
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To be clear, the Starfinder Beginner Box is the "book" after Alien Archive 2. It is a Starfinder RPG product, not an accessory.
And as Owen said, Starfinder is far from forgotten, with new products every month!
As for the splash page, that's a result of the website issue we had a couple of weeks ago. We're working on getting it fixed!
It isn't part of the Starfinder RPG subscription, is it?
I was hoping to skip that product if possible.
We can't wait for the Starfinder Beginner Box!
I feel like a heavier focus on Pathfinder right now is to be expected with the playtest taking place, but they do have Starfinder interviews and discussions on the Paizo Twitch every Wednesday, as well as occasional mentions on the site. Starfinder has fewer releases to talk about, therefore it can feel like it gets buried by constant Pathfinder news, but it probably hasn't lost much time in the spotlight overall. We just want more because we are passionate, insatiable fans.
I have felt like the original poster. Things are quiet . . . too quiet! I'd like to see some more energy around the game.
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I honestly don't share the OP's sentiment. Even if Hero Lab Online has eschewed SF for PFPT, I don't think Paizo has. The pace may be slower than Pathfinder, but that's to be expected when comparing the new project versus the flagship product. That said, some erratas/2nd printings would be greatly appreciated. The SF Core rulebook FAQ is great, but I'd like to see those DC adjustments to Starship combat reflected in my actually PDFs.
I don't necessarily need to see more books, but sneak previews of AA2, a piece of free web fiction, some FAQs/errata, etc., would help keep up the impression that things are happening and there's stuff to talk about.
I don't feel it's been forgotten but I also was wondering about the book after AA2. If it's the Beginners Box that is really a disappointment and I really hope it is not part of the subscription. Although there might be a book in there that fixes the Starship DCs and other bugs in the Core Book.
I completely agree that the PDFs should be updated to reflect the real values, at the moment the starship part of core book is so faulty you always need to have the errata open when fighting in space. Some clarifications on issues often spoken on the rules forum section might also be welcome.
Huh... no?
If there's one thing they forgot since the PF2 playtest is... to release Ultimate Wilderness's long-awaited errata...
I did feel like it was pretty forgotten, but hopefully with the increased rate of releases it'll feel abit better. Though that wont help groups that don't play adventure paths.
TBH I feel like the release schedule has accelerated, with them doing 2 concurrent adventure paths and releasing armoury (which is a huuuuuge book that is like 90% rules content)
I am still learning the content of armoury (and one of my players bought me the PDF the day it came out) and my players have only been able to give it a cursory look (due to it being a bit overwhelming and us all being busy people).
I find it impressive that Paizo managed to put out that book for their secondary product while in the lead up to the 2e playtest.
Still, I would love even more and would love to know more about what comes after alien archive 2 and the beginners box
Paizo? No. The players? Yes.
I've found the Starfinder forum activity and my ability to find active Starfinder games to be rather diminished since the playtest began, presumably because they are all playtesting.
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I kind of feel this way, but mostly for errata and such. It would be great if we could get some of the SF team to sit down and do another round of FAQs for the Core Rulebook and the Armory.
I don't feel it's been forgotten but I also was wondering about the book after AA2. If it's the Beginners Box that is really a disappointment and I really hope it is not part of the subscription. Although there might be a book in there that fixes the Starship DCs and other bugs in the Core Book.
I completely agree that the PDFs should be updated to reflect the real values, at the moment the starship part of core book is so faulty you always need to have the errata open when fighting in space. Some clarifications on issues often spoken on the rules forum section might also be welcome.
After thinking about this for a few days I started thinking that maybe the Beginner's Box is kind of a "second print" of SF? There is a Player Guide and GM Handbook it should have updated versions of the rules and the separation might make sense since the 600 page tome is mostly unnecessary for a casual player. Still, would have liked a "real" new sourcebook rather than a reprint of things we already have.
I would not be surprised if at least the Player Guide would come to store separately after the Box comes out.
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After thinking about this for a few days I started thinking that maybe the Beginner's Box is kind of a "second print" of SF? There is a Player Guide and GM Handbook it should have updated versions of the rules and the separation might make sense since the 600 page tome is mostly unnecessary for a casual player. Still, would have liked a "real" new sourcebook rather than a reprint of things we already have.
I would not be surprised if at least the Player Guide would come to store separately after the Box comes out.
Maybe it's just me, but I've always preferred the pathfinder/starfinder approach of a single core rulebook over separated books like they do for dnd.
I prefer the one, large rulebook as well. So far, my biggest issue with Starfinder's releases have been how small they are. Sure, they're releasing more books more quickly. But when each book is a third or a fourth of the size, and I'm still paying almost as much for it, I still end up feeling a bit cheated.
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nothing forthcoming about any of the Starfinder miniature lines
Soda Pop Miniatures Ninja Division are in charge of Starfinder Minis. At present rate minis should be a thing in 2024 or so.
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I’m disappointed to be offered a beginner box as my next option in terms of what I want next. However, I’m glad the game is healthy enough that they’ve determined such a thing is worth doing.
nothing forthcoming about any of the Starfinder miniature linesSoda Pop MiniaturesNinja Division are in charge of Starfinder Minis. At present rate minis should be a thing in 2024 or so.
I already know more people with 3D printers than with 2D printers. At this point the Starfinder team might be best served to sell 3D models. Our own minis at current are paper printables plus 3D minis from the Starcraft II Wings of Liberty game files.
I don't think it's been forgotten about in the least. The second adventure path is nearing its completion, the next one will give us a space horror campaign and the one after that is an epic that will see us journey into the sun.
We're receiving monthly releases for APs, the SFS content, map packs, pawn boxes, Alien Archive 2 on the horizon and the beginner box! I don't know about you but I'm just about keeping up.
The negativity surrounding the beginner box is strange, more eyes on the product and more people playing will surely alleviate any doubts you have over how active the game is? Besides, in my experience the adventures included in starter products across multiple RPGs have always been alot of fun.
Didn't Armoury also sell out almost instantly? Less doom.and gloom guys! Theres always going to be excitement over the new shiny but Starfinder is doing well from what I can see.
Yes, why don‘t you take 30 mins of your time and update your core rulebook pdf, especially starship combat dc‘s?
That would be awesome, thank you very much
Don't think that's done in 30m
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Don't think that's done in 30mYes, why don‘t you take 30 mins of your time and update your core rulebook pdf, especially starship combat dc‘s?
That would be awesome, thank you very much
I'm a graphic designer and so have some idea of the process it would require. If given access to their systems, I could have it done in 5. The only thing holding it back is company policy.
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I'm a graphic designer and so have some idea of the process it would require. If given access to their systems, I could have it done in 5. The only thing holding it back is company policy.Don't think that's done in 30mYes, why don‘t you take 30 mins of your time and update your core rulebook pdf, especially starship combat dc‘s?
That would be awesome, thank you very much
^ This. They could easily make an errata PDF like they do when a book goes into a new printing, put it on the product page, and say, "This document will be added to the official book once we run into a new printing, for now people can print it out." The only thing stopping them is their errata policy and the time/money investment of the team doing more errata and someone whipping up such a PDF.
I'm a graphic designer and so have some idea of the process it would require. If given access to their systems, I could have it done in 5. The only thing holding it back is company policy.Don't think that's done in 30mYes, why don‘t you take 30 mins of your time and update your core rulebook pdf, especially starship combat dc‘s?
That would be awesome, thank you very much
I don't work in anything related, so this is just a guess, but si suspect any change to the text, including errata, would need to pass an edition process to avoid further errata. I'm not saying it is impossible, or even difficult, but I don't think it is just a 30m thing
I don't work in anything related, so this is just a guess, but si suspect any change to the text, including errata, would need to pass an edition process to avoid further errata. I'm not saying it is impossible, or even difficult, but I don't think it is just a 30m thingI'm a graphic designer and so have some idea of the process it would require. If given access to their systems, I could have it done in 5. The only thing holding it back is company policy.Don't think that's done in 30mYes, why don‘t you take 30 mins of your time and update your core rulebook pdf, especially starship combat dc‘s?
That would be awesome, thank you very much
If text was changing this would be true, but it’s just number changes that don’t effect page layout.
^ This. They could easily make an errata PDF like they do when a book goes into a new printing, put it on the product page, and say, "This document will be added to the official book once we run into a new printing, for now people can print it out." The only thing stopping them is their errata policy and the time/money investment of the team doing more errata and someone whipping up such a PDF.I'm a graphic designer and so have some idea of the process it would require. If given access to their systems, I could have it done in 5. The only thing holding it back is company policy.Don't think that's done in 30mYes, why don‘t you take 30 mins of your time and update your core rulebook pdf, especially starship combat dc‘s?
That would be awesome, thank you very much
Is there an actual "errata policy"?
I certainly hope so. Otherwise, different team members might not be on the same page as to what is, or should be, errata.
Right, I more meant to ask if there was a publicly stated policy about errata. Some insight would be great.
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The FAQ for products these days has been pretty much an utter disaster.
I know the Golem as a ton on it's plate, but when you have huge new product lines coming out on all fronts it becomes hard to find time to do the "leftover" busy work and from what I can tell the Errata and FAQ stuff is treated VERY much as "busy work" as it has no real ROI.
I have advocated in the past that Paizo needs to take a head-on approach to errors, typos, omissions, balance problems, errata, clarifications, and FAQs, and since the teams there have all been so split and shuffled and stacked twelve feet high with ongoing projects these have all been left to essentially just sit unanswered. This isn't a problem that affects their finances but it DOES impact the quality and ease of play for the Game itself.
If you just got one person hired at a decent wage, full time, doing the legwork for organizing the Errata, FAQ, and other communication tasks that need to take place such as ferrying rules questions that impact the game (SFS or otherwise) between staff and the community then we could see a FAQ Update reliably come out at LEAST once per quarter for each product line.
I don't think that's unreasonable as an expense towards improving the accessibity and understandability of your product.
The FAQ for products these days has been pretty much an utter disaster.
I know the Golem as a ton on it's plate, but when you have huge new product lines coming out on all fronts it becomes hard to find time to do the "leftover" busy work and from what I can tell the Errata and FAQ stuff is treated VERY much as "busy work" as it has no real ROI.
I have advocated in the past that Paizo needs to take a head-on approach to errors, typos, omissions, balance problems, errata, clarifications, and FAQs, and since the teams there have all been so split and shuffled and stacked twelve feet high with ongoing projects these have all been left to essentially just sit unanswered. This isn't a problem that affects their finances but it DOES impact the quality and ease of play for the Game itself.
If you just got one person hired at a decent wage, full time, doing the legwork for organizing the Errata, FAQ, and other communication tasks that need to take place such as ferrying rules questions that impact the game (SFS or otherwise) between staff and the community then we could see a FAQ Update reliably come out at LEAST once per quarter for each product line.
I don't think that's unreasonable as an expense towards improving the accessibity and understandability of your product.
I'll be honest. I would be happy with a big FAQ update once a year.
Right, I more meant to ask if there was a publicly stated policy about errata. Some insight would be great.
The policy Dark Midian was referring to was that of not releasing PDF errata for a book until the printed copy receives a revision. That’s been affirmed many times during Pathfinder’s lifetime.
It seems to me they are following a similar approach with Starfinder,but I don’t know that they’ve every explicitly stated as much.
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Right, I more meant to ask if there was a publicly stated policy about errata. Some insight would be great.The policy Dark Midian was referring to was that of not releasing PDF errata for a book until the printed copy receives a revision. That’s been affirmed many times during Pathfinder’s lifetime.
It seems to me they are following a similar approach with Starfinder,but I don’t know that they’ve every explicitly stated as much.
Thanks. Starfinder is my first Paizo game, so that's new to me. It kind of explains why several of the "FAQ" entries are answered with what appear to be complete changes in wording...
Presuming the starfinder policy is the same as pathfinder's has been then those changes will be incorporated (eventually) into future printings of the books and the PDF will then be updated.
They'll also release a summary PDF updating first printing books to the second printing wording.
Having said that I suspect the rollout of PF2 has included a review of the errata policy. Whether that review will lead to any changes isnt clear.