***SAD*** Is there a way for Non-Human Cleric / Druid get a STR 14+


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Is there any way to get a STR above 14 for a Non-Human Cleric or Druid?

Want to make a melee, front line version of a non-human Cleric or Druid and only bumps to STR I can find are from the Background & the 1st level bumps. Which only get's me to a Strength of 14.

No Non-Human Wild Shape Druid with a STR higher then 14
No Non-Human Cleric of Gorum charging into battle wielding a greatsword with a STR higher then 14.

....unless I'm doing something wrong.


Every ancestry gets at least one free boost


All races have a free stat boost in addition to their fixed boosts. Page 13. That gets you to 16.


Dwarf (+2 Wis, +2 Con, +2 *Free*, -2 Cha) - Use the Free in Str
Any background with Wis or Str, if it has Str, use the free for Wis, if it has Wis use it for Str.
Use any of the 4 level 1 boosts.

That can get you to a 16 Str, and still get you to an 18 Wis.

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Elf (+2 Dex, +2 Int, +2 *Free*, -2 Con) - This would preclude you from getting an 18 Wis and 16 Str, but you could get a 16 Wis/16 Str with the methods from above.

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Gnome - See Elf above...

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Goblin - See Elf above...

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Halfling - See Dwarf, can get to an 18 Wis, 16 Str

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Human - Obviously...


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Dwarves, Elves, and Goblins can do it.

Put your floating ancestry stat bonus into strength.
Put one of your two background stat bonuses into strength
Put one of your 4 final stat boosts into strength.

I have a Dwarf Druid whose starting statline is 16 Str/12 Dex/14 Con/18 Wis/10 Int/8 Cha.


Thanks All.

Been trying to cram the playtest rulebook in just a couple of days and keep missing parts.


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Here's a cheat sheet I created listing which non-human ancestries can take certain ability score combinations as ancestry boosts (obviously humans can pick any two freely). The options for str-based combos are rather sparse right now, I will agree.

Str/Dex: Elf, Goblin
Str/Con: Dwarf
Str/Int: Elf
Str/Wis: Dwarf
Str/Cha: Goblin
Dex/Con: Dwarf, Goblin, Gnome, Halfling
Dex/Int: Elf, Goblin, Halfling
Dex/Wis: Dwarf, Elf, Halfling
Dex/Cha: Elf, Goblin, Gnome, Halfling
Con/Int: Dwarf, Gnome
Con/Wis: Dwarf, Gnome, Halfling
Con/Cha: Dwarf, Goblin, Gnome
Int/Wis: Dwarf, Elf, Halfling
Int/Cha: Elf, Goblin, Gnome
Wis/Cha: Gnome, Halfling

Oh, and I guess I should add that these are the three ability score combos possible given the current ancestry lineup:
Str/Dex/Int (Elf)
Str/Dex/Cha (Goblin)
Str/Con/Wis (Dwarf)
Dex/Con/Wis (Dwarf, Halfling)
Dex/Con/Cha (Gnome)
Dex/Int/Wis (Elf, Halfling)
Dex/Int/Cha (Elf, Goblin)
Dex/Wis/Cha (Halfling)
Con/Int/Wis (Dwarf)
Con/Int/Cha (Gnome)
Con/Wis/Cha (Gnome)

3 ability score combos that are currently not possible with any ancestry:
Str/Dex/Con
Str/Dex/Wis
Str/Con/Int
Str/Con/Cha
Str/Int/Wis
Str/Int/Cha
Str/Wis/Cha
Dex/Con/Int
Int/Wis/Cha


HWalsh wrote:

Dwarf (+2 Wis, +2 Con, +2 *Free*, -2 Cha) - Use the Free in Str

Any background with Wis or Str, if it has Str, use the free for Wis, if it has Wis use it for Str.
Use any of the 4 level 1 boosts.

That can get you to a 16 Str, and still get you to an 18 Wis.

-----

Elf (+2 Dex, +2 Int, +2 *Free*, -2 Con) - This would preclude you from getting an 18 Wis and 16 Str, but you could get a 16 Wis/16 Str with the methods from above.

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Gnome - See Elf above...

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Goblin - See Elf above...

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Halfling - See Dwarf, can get to an 18 Wis, 16 Str

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Human - Obviously...

Halfling and Gnome can't get above 14 Strength outside of a Strength-keyed class, because of their Strength penalty.


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I think this thread demonstrates need for explanation in char-creation process that directly lays out all stat boosts and where they come from, and that probably goes for all feats etc. In other words, state everything that will be customized for each character and where it comes from. (although the +Free choice stuff doesn't really matter where it comes from)


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Quandary wrote:
I think this thread demonstrates need for explanation in char-creation process that directly lays out all stat boosts and where they come from, and that probably goes for all feats etc. In other words, state everything that will be customized for each character and where it comes from. (although the +Free choice stuff doesn't really matter where it comes from)

Bingo

One X in each cell. Add them up vertically.


Shinigami02 wrote:
HWalsh wrote:

Dwarf (+2 Wis, +2 Con, +2 *Free*, -2 Cha) - Use the Free in Str

Any background with Wis or Str, if it has Str, use the free for Wis, if it has Wis use it for Str.
Use any of the 4 level 1 boosts.

That can get you to a 16 Str, and still get you to an 18 Wis.

-----

Elf (+2 Dex, +2 Int, +2 *Free*, -2 Con) - This would preclude you from getting an 18 Wis and 16 Str, but you could get a 16 Wis/16 Str with the methods from above.

-----

Gnome - See Elf above...

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Goblin - See Elf above...

-----

Halfling - See Dwarf, can get to an 18 Wis, 16 Str

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Human - Obviously...

Halfling and Gnome can't get above 14 Strength outside of a Strength-keyed class, because of their Strength penalty.

sure they can.

use the "free" boost from ancenstry to counteract the malus.

use the free boost from your 4 boosts

use the boost from back ground.

you end up with a +6-2, for a net Str of 14


shroudb wrote:
you end up with a +6-2, for a net Str of 14

14 is not greater than 14.

Shinigami02 wrote:
Halfling and Gnome can't get above 14 Strength


Draco18s wrote:
shroudb wrote:
you end up with a +6-2, for a net Str of 14

14 is not greater than 14.

Shinigami02 wrote:
Halfling and Gnome can't get above 14 Strength

ah, misread that as can get 14+ strength. Then yeah, -str races outside of +str classes max out at 14.

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