Hey all. So, my group likes to speculate a lot about builds and their potential. One of my friends brought up an Abyssal Rageshaper Bloodrager and the weird interactions with its natural weapons being increased by size while raging as well as the Rageshaper ability. That ability states:
"At 4th level, whenever a rageshaper gains a natural attack through the use of a polymorph spell, he can increase the damage done by that attack by one die. If the spell grants multiple natural attacks, the rageshaper must choose one kind of natural attack for the ability to enhance. At 9th level, if the rageshaper's altered form grants him a new mode of movement, that movement's base speed increases by 10 feet. This is an enhancement bonus. If the rageshaper's bloodrage powers already grant natural attacks or alternate modes of movement, then the bonuses granted by bestial aspect also apply to these bloodrage powers."
We wanna know how that interacts with the Abyssal bloodline's increase to size, and thus increase to damage for the claw. What order does it happen in? It normally wouldn't matter, but it says "one die," not "one die STEP." Any input is welcome!
Hey all. So, my group likes to speculate a lot about builds and their potential. One of my friends brought up an Abyssal Rageshaper Bloodrager and the weird interactions with its natural weapons being increased by size while raging as well as the Rageshaper ability. That ability states:
"At 4th level, whenever a rageshaper gains a natural attack through the use of a polymorph spell, he can increase the damage done by that attack by one die. If the spell grants multiple natural attacks, the rageshaper must choose one kind of natural attack for the ability to enhance. At 9th level, if the rageshaper's altered form grants him a new mode of movement, that movement's base speed increases by 10 feet. This is an enhancement bonus. If the rageshaper's bloodrage powers already grant natural attacks or alternate modes of movement, then the bonuses granted by bestial aspect also apply to these bloodrage powers."
We wanna know how that interacts with the Abyssal bloodline's increase to size, and thus increase to damage for the claw. What order does it happen in? It normally wouldn't matter, but it says "one die," not "one die STEP." Any input is welcome!
Increase one die is increase one die step, they mean the same in game rules.
@Shin Silirubin: In the Beastial Aspect ability, it says "If the rageshaper's bloodrage powers already grant natural attacks or alternate modes of movement, then the bonuses granted by bestial aspect also apply to these bloodrage powers." Meaning that the claws do get an increase in base damage.
@Chess Pwn: Do you have a ruling to cite that? I wanna be able to bring a definitive answer back to the group, ya know?
I would say that the increase in size happens first, then the increase in die size.However, there is nothing that says the claws that you get are a polymorph effect, nor is it a spell, so it doesn't work anyway.Edit: never mind that bit
"At 4th level, whenever a rageshaper gains a natural attack through the use of a polymorph spell, he can increase the damage done by that attack by one die. If the spell grants multiple natural attacks, the rageshaper must choose one kind of natural attack for the ability to enhance. At 9th level, if the rageshaper's altered form grants him a new mode of movement, that movement's base speed increases by 10 feet. This is an enhancement bonus. If the rageshaper's bloodrage powers already grant natural attacks or alternate modes of movement, then the bonuses granted by bestial aspect also apply to these bloodrage powers."
I know reading can be hard, but you were almost there.
@Shin Silirubin: In the Beastial Aspect ability, it says "If the rageshaper's bloodrage powers already grant natural attacks or alternate modes of movement, then the bonuses granted by bestial aspect also apply to these bloodrage powers." Meaning that the claws do get an increase in base damage.
@Chess Pwn: Do you have a ruling to cite that? I wanna be able to bring a definitive answer back to the group, ya know?
Yes its
1) There is not adding dice to weapon damage2) I think some of the Improve natural attack or weapon or something also uses that wording
3) Order of operation never apply, you should get the same result regardless of which you apply, if you ever end up with differences, something was done wrong.