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Isn't moving your max speed running already? Is there a separate run action or something that doubles your speed that I missed?
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Isn't moving your max speed running already? Is there a separate run action or something that doubles your speed that I missed?
You are correct, there is no such thing as "Running" anymore, simply the basic movement speed. If a PC wants to take 2 Strides they take 2 Strides, if they want to take 3, then that also is fine.
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25 ft is already slower than average human walking speed and should be brought back to 30, especially to make armor speed debuffs less painful. All else that is needed is a little flavor text note that spending two actions moving is jogging, and spending three actions moving is running.
Where did you find that move speed or Stride only mean walk?
I could not find a Run action, so Stride would have to represent that.
(At least for short events, like a sprint or PF combat.)
Think, being in full stride means running.
And if you want a walking speed, Step could suffice.
(I'm pretty sure Mr. Bolt doesn't zip around walking at some abnormal pace.)
75 feet in 6 seconds is slow, for running. Pro football players, linemen in full gear, have to run about twice that speed to qualify. So I don't see an issue once the assumption 'move equals walking' is ditched.
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With a bit of googling, I found this article. The article claims that men have an average jogging speed of 8.3 mph, and women have an average jogging speed of 6.5 mph. I wasn't able to find a citation, but if I convert these into feet per second we have men at 12 feet per second (24 feet in 2 seconds) and women at 9.5 feet per second (19 feet in 2 seconds) Most people can if pressed sprint much faster than jogging pace of course.
An average Pathfinder human clocks in at 12.5 feet per second for each stride action they take. This means they move at roughly 8.5 mph, which is pretty much on the nose. A monk will eventually outstrip an Olympion, and wizards can do ridiculous things from level 1 (an elf that casts fleet step has a 60 foot movement speed, striding at over 20 mph.
Given Usain Bolt's performance of 28mph, he would need a move speed of 80 feet. Well, a Pathfinder version of himself would have probably cast haste and done it in four strides a round.
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With a bit of googling, I found this article. The article claims that men have an average jogging speed of 8.3 mph, and women have an average jogging speed of 6.5 mph. I wasn't able to find a citation, but if I convert these into feet per second we have men at 12 feet per second (24 feet in 2 seconds) and women at 9.5 feet per second (19 feet in 2 seconds) Most people can if pressed sprint much faster than jogging pace of course.
An average Pathfinder human clocks in at 12.5 feet per second for each stride action they take. This means they move at roughly 8.5 mph, which is pretty much on the nose. A monk will eventually outstrip an Olympion, and wizards can do ridiculous things from level 1 (an elf that casts fleet step has a 60 foot movement speed, striding at over 20 mph.
Given Usain Bolt's performance of 28mph, he would need a move speed of 80 feet. Well, a Pathfinder version of himself would have probably cast haste and done it in four strides a round.
Neat! I can dig the average well equipped adventurer having a combat speed about even with what the average person can do in a sprint while carrying nothing.
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I challenge anyone to post a video where you:
- walk 75 feet in 6 seconds.
An Olympic speed-walker can manage about 4.1 metres per second. That's over 80 feet per 6 seconds.
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An Olympic speed-walker can manage about 4.1 metres per second. That's over 80 feet per 6 seconds.I challenge anyone to post a video where you:
- walk 75 feet in 6 seconds.
I'm just going to leave this here.
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An average Pathfinder human clocks in at 12.5 feet per second for each stride action they take. This means they move at roughly 8.5 mph, which is pretty much on the nose. A monk will eventually outstrip an Olympion, and wizards can do ridiculous things from level 1 (an elf that casts fleet step has a 60 foot movement speed, striding at over 20 mph.Neat! I can dig the average well equipped adventurer having a combat speed about even with what the average person can do in a sprint while carrying nothing.
8.5 MPH is a pretty easy pace for a runner (7 minute mile). Definitely not a sprint.
Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was in high school, the 40 yard dash times (by students) were under 5 seconds. That would be an (unencumbered) PF2 speed faster than 48' (which also accounts somewhat for acceleration, though not for deceleration).
Given that combat movement involves things like "dodging arrows and fireballs," I have no problem with the more sedate 25' movement speed for heroes.
As far as the OP goes though -- is it common to envision movement in combat in PFNe as walking? That seems to be at the core of the post (calculation Usain Bolt's speed aside). I've never thought of characters in combat walking around the battlefield, as it just seems very counter-intuitive. Am I in the minority here?
As far as the OP goes though -- is it common to envision movement in combat in PFNe as walking? That seems to be at the core of the post (calculation Usain Bolt's speed aside). I've never thought of characters in combat walking around the battlefield, as it just seems very counter-intuitive. Am I in the minority here?
In PF1 you were explicitly "hustling" in combat most of the time.
Hustle: A hustle is a jog (about 6 miles per hour for an unencumbered human). A character moving his speed twice in a single round, or moving that speed in the same round that he or she performs a standard action or another move action, is hustling when he or she moves.
If you look at the overland travel section you see that a speed of 30 is needed to walk 3 miles per hour. That is normal walking speed for an unencumbered human on reasonably flat terrain today. So PF2 humans are slower than today's couch potatoes.
Usain bolt's record speed of 27 mph would translate to 80 feet. PER ACTION. Yeah, Usain bolt could potentially run 240 feet in one round. For my first action, I stride 16 squares.
Your math was off mate.
So he's a 15th level Elf Monk with Nimble ancestry feat, Fleet general feat, and greater boots of bounding. 30 for elf, +5 nimble, +5 fleet, +10 for level 3 monk, +5 each for levels 6, 9, 12 and 15, +10 for greater boots. Or standard boots of bounding but 18th level monk. You can get to his speed in the game, but it takes some real dedication. Without a magic item or spell, that 18th level Rocket-Elf monk tops out at 75 feet per action or 25.57 miles per hour. Absurdly fast, but not quite so fast as Usain Bolt. I guess the refs need to scan Mr. Bolt for magic. I can see the headlines now "Olympic Magic Item scandal shocks the world" :)
The walking speed for overland travel is roughly the equivalent of taking one action per round. It does make people a bit slower on average than modern humans, but I'm actually kind of surprised that the math works out that well.
I don't think they've ever tried too hard to accurately represent how fast something can run/move. Certain animals like cats and leopards have a speed of 30 in PF1, and even in Starfinder an Assault Fighter is only flying at over 100mph. I chalk it up as gameplay mechanics over realism.
Basically, Usain in PF would never have a speed of 80 per action, possiblity not even half.
I mean we do have one super high speed sprint mechanic in game -a barbarian's Furious Sprint. And it can be kept up a lot longer than the normal duration of a sprint. You could combine it with Fast Movement for an 18 second sprint. On a human with fleet that brings it up to 80 ft/action. You even spent a turn accelerating and have to take a breather at the end before you can run as fast again.
This gets more silly if you animal rage yourself into a deer, but then you aren't human anymore and are more blatantly supernatural.