Best use of True Name, Greater True Name


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I've recently become a 15th level wizard, and am considering taking True Name as an arcane discovery. Since I'm this level I'm calling it greater true name because I can summon an 18 HD creature that I've called with the equivalent of greater planar binding. I don't think they get a saving throw with this discovery, nor do I have to persuade them to help (though if he's good it wouldn't take much).

What kind of creature would be best? My thought right now is a Planetar.

Also considering the two 8th level spells to take (I'm a conjurer). I'm looking at Maze, and either From of the Dragon 3, Stormbolts, Prismatic Wall, Moment of Prescience, Prediction of Failure...basically lots of them. Thoughts as to which two should take priority?

J


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One of the most powerful possible choices for the True Name arcane discovery is an immolation devil (CR 19).

Other possible choices (at least CR 16) include bythos aeon (CR 16), mustelidal agathion (CR 16), gate archon (CR 17), astradaemon (CR 16), lilitu demon (CR 17), marilith demon (CR 17), shemhazian demon (CR 16), vavakia demon (CR 18), vilsteth demon (CR 16), advodaza devil (CR 18), apostate devil (CR 17), belier devil (CR 16), horned devil (CR 16), nemesis devil (CR 18), ephialtes kyton (CR 16), termagant kyton (CR 17), labyrinth minotaur (CR 16), and wendigo (CR 17).


Moment of prescience is a spell which you can't duplicate with lower level spells, I'd take it before those others.


I like moment of prescience, and plan on taking it. Greater true Name is a feat/arcane discovery, not a spell, so I can take both. :)

As for Immolation Devil, it looks cool! Would that be a better choice than a Planetar? Also it's CR 19, and I can summon 18 HD max, does the ID have 18 HD? I couldn't find it.

J


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JDawg75 wrote:
As for Immolation Devil, it looks cool! Would that be a better choice than a Planetar? Also it's CR 19, and I can summon 18 HD max, does the ID have 18 HD? I couldn't find it.

A planetar angel is CR 16. Desirable (i.e., mechanically "worth it") choices for good (and neutral) outsiders are pretty slim for the True Name arcane discovery at 15th level.

All of the creatures I listed are 18 HD or less and the names link to their monster entry on Archives of Nethys. The listed hit points for an immolation devil are: 315 (18d10+216). CR is not always an exact indicator of "strength," so an immolation devil may not be the absolute "best" choice*. However, it is probably in the top tier of choices.

*- for instance, a vavakia demon is probably an overall better combatant when including the breath weapon, frightful presence, trample, and magic weapon


I think a planetar is a spectacular choice as it has level 8 cleric spells, as well as a bunch of very very nice buffs that it gives out to the party.


The Gate Archon is probably the most potent critter for you : it casts as a 17th level cleric (Yes, 2 levels higher than you. You can compel it to select spells that you choose for your own ends when planning ahead.), and has Gate as a 1/Day ability...

That gives it an incredible amount of abusable tools (for example, you could call this thing, and have it Gate in an Efreeti to give you 3 wishes), but I'd advise against abusing them. You will either succeed, and unbalance the campaign, or the DM will take your toys away from you, thus wasting your arcane discovery...


Ah, so I was using the HD values from the d20pfsrd from greater planar binding, which lists a planetar as a CR 16 creature that has 18 HD: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/p/planar-binding

CR and HD aren't the same thing, but looking at the Bestiary it's tough for me to find HD. I checked out Archives of Nethys for the Immolation Devil, but it doesn't list HD either, only the CR of 19.

The Gate Archon seems awesome also!

J


JDawg75 wrote:
CR and HD aren't the same thing, but looking at the Bestiary it's tough for me to find HD. I checked out Archives of Nethys for the Immolation Devil, but it doesn't list HD either, only the CR of 19.

Sure it does: hp 315 (18d10+216); regeneration 5 (good weapons or good spells) - you just have to scroll down a bit.

And yes, it can be annoying to look at - I actually ended up creating simple sortable tables with Name/HD/CR for each of Devils, Daemons and Demons, for the same reason.


RoseCrown wrote:
JDawg75 wrote:
CR and HD aren't the same thing, but looking at the Bestiary it's tough for me to find HD. I checked out Archives of Nethys for the Immolation Devil, but it doesn't list HD either, only the CR of 19.

Sure it does: hp 315 (18d10+216); regeneration 5 (good weapons or good spells) - you just have to scroll down a bit.

And yes, it can be annoying to look at - I actually ended up creating simple sortable tables with Name/HD/CR for each of Devils, Daemons and Demons, for the same reason.

Ah, thank you. That's what I was missing!

J

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