Clarification needed: Minimum damage when a penalty applies

[Scribbling Rambler]

In Pf1, damage reductions from low strength would end up at a minimum of 1 point of non-lethal.
We were unable to find anything similar in the playtest. In addition, if damage were to reduce to zero, would enhancements like poison apply?

Doomsday Dawn example:

For example, one of our companions was attacked by giant centipedes. A few of them bit him for 1d4-1 damage (+ poison), and 3 of them rolled 1's. Do they each do a point of non-lethal? No damage? A point of lethal? Does poison apply?

[Draco18s]

Non-lethal isn't a thing in PF2. I searched every book and the only note for it is that "non lethal weapons can't kill, they can only knock unconscious." See pages 294-295 and 182.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

I don't know how much damage they do, but I do know that if they do none then the poison does not apply.

page 294 wrote:

Damage and Enhancements

Some abilities that deal damage have enhancements. These take effect only if you deal at least 1 damage. For instance, if you use a poisoned blade to attack a creature with slashing resistance and the creature takes no damage because of its resistance, it’s not exposed to your poison.

[Scribbling Rambler]

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

I don't know how much damage they do, but I do know that if they do none then the poison does not apply.

page 294 wrote:

Damage and Enhancements

Some abilities that deal damage have enhancements. These take effect only if you deal at least 1 damage. For instance, if you use a poisoned blade to attack a creature with slashing resistance and the creature takes no damage because of its resistance, it’s not exposed to your poison.

I bolded the problem. A strength penalty is not Resistance.

I agree this is probably what happens (if damage can be reduced to 0), but it's another thing where the wording needs to be tightened up. It's another thing which makes me think there is a minimum of 1.

Thanks for the citations, Draco18s. There is also a mention in the Monk section (where they are able to use nonlethal weapons as lethal without penalty).

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

Scribbling Rambler wrote:

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

I don't know how much damage they do, but I do know that if they do none then the poison does not apply.

page 294 wrote:

Damage and Enhancements

Some abilities that deal damage have enhancements. These take effect only if you deal at least 1 damage. For instance, if you use a poisoned blade to attack a creature with slashing resistance and the creature takes no damage because of its resistance, it’s not exposed to your poison.

I bolded the problem. A strength penalty is not Resistance.

I agree this is probably what happens (if damage can be reduced to 0), but it's another thing where the wording needs to be tightened up. It's another thing which makes me think there is a minimum of 1.

Thanks for the citations, Draco18s. There is also a mention in the Monk section (where they are able to use nonlethal weapons as lethal without penalty).

The phrase you bolded is part of a "for instance" sentence. It is not meant to be exhaustive. The actual rule is the sentence before that, "These take effect only if you deal at least 1 damage," which is clear. You deal no damage, for whatever reason, you get no enhancements. The only question is under what circumstances can you hit w/o doing damage, which I think we all agree is not addressed by the rules and needs to get into an update.