Watchmen gets full series order at HBO.


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It appears I was close with my guess about Adrian being on Mars (he is most likely on Phobos/Deimos.) Still dont know why or how. Also, those clever little writers only gave us half the message!

Looks like Wade should not have trusted Keene, and I hope he is going to make it.

Episode 6 looks like its going to be a trip...

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Hmm, after a second viewing, maybe Adrian is on Ganymede?


Pan,

The show's producer/director/person in charge says he's actually on Europa.

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Interesting, the moon he was on looked more like Ganymede but what is interesting either way is how he got out there...


Pan,

Regardless of which moon, I'm sure we'll get that answer either next episode or before the end of the season.


Very golden age and very 1930s at the same time

definite call outs to the last item here


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Very golden age and very 1930s at the same time

But...Golden Age is the 1930's (and 40's.)


Damon Griffin wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Very golden age and very 1930s at the same time

But...Golden Age is the 1930's (and 40's.)

The golden age is the comics.

By the 1930's i mean the real life 1930s as opposed to the comics...


So lady tru 2.0 is a clone with nostalgia memories trying to turn her into her mother then? Since she's that worried about legacy...


Was amnesia mentioned before this one?

Also, he never forgets.

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The last few episodes have been a real treat.

The elephant used in the nostalgia treatment was a fun twist.

Something always seemed a little off about Cal, I didn't think he was DocMan hiding out tho.


Pan,

I thought for a while he might have been like Superman/Calvin Ellis. But that was a shock.

What's more a "Well that's messed up." (even moreso than the elephant) was the fact Lady Trieu was cloning her MOM as her daughter. That's just...wow.

Anyways 2 more episodes folks!


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Episode 7 without spoilers... well I did not see that coming.... that is all.


The writing on this show.

The only weakness I can give it is that it lacks poetry in the dialogue. Some poetry is nice now and then.

Other than that, the writing....

The acting is good. The costuming, directing, effects, etc. The acting is legit good, but they've been given really evocative characters to play.

The writing though.

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I hope we get to see Wade messing up the 7th K guys.

My theory

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The clock is going to pull Adrian, Her father from where He is to Tulsa. I'm wondering if Keane and the 7th K are going to try and put Doc into a field generator like Adrian did.

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:

I hope we get to see Wade messing up the 7th K guys.

My theory ** spoiler omitted **

I doubt we will. Though keep an eye out for Wade hiding in a Rorschach mask since one was missing...


I agree with Iron, the writing and the acting is the real strength of this show.

Also I don't think Lady T's Adrian's dad.

Thirdly, I still can't get over Lady T cloning her dead mom and then making her her daughter...

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Cant really think of a better way to experiment with immortality then to hide it in plain sight. Pretty much a recurring theme in the entire series actually.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

I agree with Iron, the writing and the acting is the real strength of this show.

Also I don't think Lady T's Adrian's dad.

Thirdly, I still can't get over Lady T cloning her dead mom and then making her her daughter...

I bet Mom 2.0 really wished Mom 1.0 had bought Lady T that pony....


No kidding.


Going through this again, not seeing amnesia mentioned before the same episode where the thing happened. Which makes the thing feel like a butt pull.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Going through this again, not seeing amnesia mentioned before the same episode where the thing happened. Which makes the thing feel like a butt pull.

I have a feeling we are going to see some more past reveals in the next episodes that reveal more about this.


I accept that some people are going to be dumb with their powers, but at present being unable to resolve the siutation presented with the power set presented pretty much snapped my suspension of disbelief.

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Well, Jon has seen things we haven't in his future. They may have to play out a certain way.


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In a way he has the ultimate fatal flaw: he cannot make choices.


Yeah I mean I get that you'd assume he's know how to make different choices...but since it's kind of happening at once for him...it might not be easy for him to distinguish between now and what comes before now.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah I mean I get that you'd assume he's know how to make different choices...but since it's kind of happening at once for him...it might not be easy for him to distinguish between now and what comes before now.

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It had to happen because it happened would be a complete copout.

Dr. Manhattan is just waking up and doesn't have enough powers to deal with it would also work, but he teleported the kids away.

So he's NOT going to teleport the entire family away, wait an hour for his brain to come together, THEN turn the entire kalvary inside out because.....?


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It's already in the past. All moments at all points in his life are all in the past. They're also in the future and present, but for easy of explaining why he can't change it... you can't change the past, and all moments are in the past.

He isn't in a ground hogs day scenario. It isn't a repeating loop, it is a one time occurrence that all happened.

I'd be curious to see NDT or Sean Carrol break down how to explain his existence in physics. Having dug into some Sean Carroll recently, I suspect a way to describe it would be entanglement.

We all remember the Schrodinger's Cat experiment. It kinda works as a thought experiment, but in reality, we don't have to open the box for the cat to come out of superposition. The particles inside the box have interacted with the box (entangled), and the box has interacted with particles outside of the box (entangled), so the observer and the cat are already entangled.

Particles exist in a wave function until they interact with an external source. If we consider ourselves as a collection of particles, and the future as our wave function (the probability that we would be in any specific place or take any specific action). Dr. Manhattan has already interacted with all possible points of his existence. His wave function has collapsed. There is no probability in what he could or would do. There exists only what he does. Since the wave functions have already all collapsed, he cannot do anything other than what he was done.

It also explains why people near Dr. Manhattan can only do the things they have done. In other points of their life there can be some uncertainty, but the wave function of their existence next to Dr. Manhattan has already collapsed. This of course alters the equation of their wave function away from him, ie, the further you get from an interaction with him the less limited your range of possibilities are. The closer you get to an interaction, the more your particle states must account for the collapsed stated.


I'm not sure if this makes much sense outside of my head. We might need Yellow Dingo back to translate this.

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You will find out on Sunday.


Tick TOck Tick Tock....

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coo coo kachu


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*splash*

The pool tiles spell out

Its 3 days ago. Laurie Juspeczyk is telling me I don't have a sense of humor.


Vol 3 of the soundtrack.

I'm obsessed with the first track at the moment. It's the one from near the end of ep 8, and shows up in parts of 9 as well.


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I definitely feel as though ep 8 was the denouement of the series. EP 9 was good, and it had lots of interesting moments, but it wasn't as revelatory as the ep 1-8. I intended to just watch a couple of scenes over again, and just ended up watching the whole episode over last night.

A problem with an ever-rising crescendo is that eventually it has to come back down. What it did do beautifully was tie everything together really, really well. I'm sure there are plot holes I'm just not seeing, but at the moment I feel like everything was explained well.

I still think my wave-function analogy is solid.

It looks like there is no season 2 in the works. Regina King is currently working on a directing project, which means she isn't under contract for Watchmen... at the moment.

Lindelof has floated the idea that Watchmen could become like True Detective (ie, the second season will suck... j/k), in that the show is about a theme and mood. In essence, another season of the show would be better served by focusing on the themes and ideas of the original Watchmen, not trying to continue on the story of the characters/actors/writers of the show. The Watchmen-universe still has plenty of room to explore ideas, so that could be cool.

I'm also not opposed to letting this stand by itself, and HBO just making something else new.


Irontruth wrote:
I'm also not opposed to letting this stand by itself, and HBO just making something else new.

HBO does have a lot in development. Hard to say what might be good, but I'll at least take a look at these during 2020:

Lovecraft Country
Perry Mason
The Nevers
Avenue 5
The Outsider
I Know This Much Is True
The Plot Against America


AMC should have the next season of Better Call Saul.

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I am fine if this is it for HBO Watchmen. It was a fine story. I do think Laurie and Wade got a little short changed in the finale, but it wanst, after all, their story. Wish they had a little more to do than spectate though.

A second season where they impeach Redford would be pretty awesome!

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Phillip Gastone wrote:
AMC should have the next season of Better Call Saul.

Season premiere is February 23.


Basically the weird thing about Jon is that even though he simultaneously experiencing all parts of time simultaneously which honestly is a hard concept to wrap your brain around he can't do much of anything to alter it . because then what he saw would change and then you would have a huge cascading effect where time was constantly altering because any action Jon took would be constantly altering himself and his knowledge It would get real messy real fast. He's practically a slave to his own time line. It's like when he says he's knows what your going to say but he doesn't know it until you actually tell him and you have to tell him or he doesn't know. It's a really hard thing to conceptualize.


I'm rewatching with a friend.

There are so many things you miss the first time through.

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When it started to get revealed that Cal is Dr. Manhattan, I remembered some of the obvious moments between him an Angela, like "I'm training you to like surprises." There are so many others though.

Also, there are eggs constantly throughout the show once Will Reeves makes his appearance. Ep 2 credits song is "Egg Man" by the Beastie Boys. The Clarks sell eggs in Ep 4. The eggs Will leaves behind in Ep 3. It's constant. If only they were painted, then they'd be literal easter eggs of content.

There's a ton of background art and visuals that are making reference to a lot of things throughout the show. There is a lot of stuff to pay attention to when you already know what is going on.

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