Paladin Question


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The book says under Champion Powers in the Paladin class that "You gain the ability to cast the lay on hands champion power by spending 1 Spell point."

Does this mean you automatically get it? Why is it worded this way? It seems to me they were trying to do with this like they did with heal for the cleric, except Paladins don't prepare their powers at the beginning of the day, they can instantly cast any of them by spending 1 spell point and an action (that is if I'm reading it correctly).


It does mean you automatically get it, and has been worded thusly to be consistent with every other class.

All spellcasters have TWO ways of performing magic- their spell slots, which are used to cast spells, and their spell points, which are used on powers.

Most casters prepare their spells in the morning, but their powers are constant and do not need to be prepared. The Paladin and Monk do not get spellcasting and spell slots, but do still have access to Spell Points with which they can use powers.

The way that Clerics get their healing with Channel Energy is unique; it's a THIRD pool from which they can perform magic.

So, as a Cleric, you have:

SPELL SLOTS: Prepared into daily from the Divine List, scales with your level

SPELL POINTS: Used on the domain powers gained from your deity, scales with your Wisdom, plus any extra powers you unlock

CHANNEL ENERGY: Used to cast Heal/Harm, depending on your deity's alignment, and scales with your Charisma.


Spells and powers are two different things, despite the latter being powered with Spell Points. Paladins no longer have spells, they just have powers. They are not prepared casters, they are not spontaneous casters, they are not casters at all.

EDIT: Frankly, I think Spell Points should be renamed to make the distinction clearer, but I worry that calling them Power Points would cause even more confusion for people who are fans of Dreamscarred Press' psionics.


Does that mean that since you get LoH free, you can choose another champion power at level 1, or is that the only spell power you get at creation?


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magnaangemon01 wrote:
Does that mean that since you get LoH free, you can choose another champion power at level 1, or is that the only spell power you get at creation?

AFAICT, the only other Champion Power you can get at Level 1 is via the Deity's Domain Feat, granting you one of your deity's initial domain powers.


GreatGraySkwid wrote:
magnaangemon01 wrote:
Does that mean that since you get LoH free, you can choose another champion power at level 1, or is that the only spell power you get at creation?
AFAICT, the only other Champion Power you can get at Level 1 is via the Deity's Domain Feat, granting you one of your deity's initial domain powers.

Correct. You get LoH for free, Deity's Domain is one of your three choices.


As far as I know; you get Lay on Hands for free but then any other champion powers are granted via class feats.

So a Level 1 Paladin can only spend their Spell Points to cast Lay on Hands, unless they take the Deity's Domain class feat as their Level 1 Class Feat which gives you the chosen deity's domain power (which are on p72 in the Cleric section) and an extra spell point.

So all Champion Powers other than LoH are granted via class feats.


When I first looked at the Champion Powers section of Paladin, I thought "Oh cool, I get a list of powers that I can look at & look forward too". Then I tried looking for said "powers", knowing that I automatically get LoH & have an allotted amount of SP from my Feats+CHA Mod (though my KEY ability is STR); I did found powers & the Divine SC List, but no list or specific powers that spoke to me of being a Champion Power without the assist of Paladin Feats (in which looking further into the Paladin). I was sorely confused of why there wasn't a list of "Champion Powers" or worded what would be considered to be a "Champion Power" besides LoH, mind that I do not have THE latest version of the PF2e RB. So if someone has the latest version PF2e RB or knows more on the Paladin Class, please tell me what "Champion Powers" does a Paladin have WITHOUT the assistance of his/her Paladin Feats if any. Otherwise then the Paladin would be lacking IMO in it's other main feature that PF1e Paladins had, being able to support/bolster their allies or themselves when needed. because the Paladin was the core definition of what is like to be a defender emboldened by their faith unlike a Fighter can.


You do need feats to get any other Powers, except I think you get one at like 19th level by default. So yeah, you have to actually choose to specialize in Powers if that's what you want. And this way if someone doesn't want more Powers they can focus on other stuff instead. It really isn't a particular lack on the Paladin's part, they have enough class feats to pick up some powers and still grab some other Paladin goodies.


Edge93 wrote:
You do need feats to get any other Powers, except I think you get one at like 19th level by default. So yeah, you have to actually choose to specialize in Powers if that's what you want. And this way if someone doesn't want more Powers they can focus on other stuff instead. It really isn't a particular lack on the Paladin's part, they have enough class feats to pick up some powers and still grab some other Paladin goodies.

So what would be the definition for Angelic & Celestial? There is a Paladin Feat at 18th level called Angelic Form that pretty much turns me in short of an Angel with the Halo & Wings that allows me a fly speed = to my speed & along with Dark Vision & Low-light vision.

I tried looking for these traits in the PF2e for the definition of Angelic & Celestial traits with no luck.

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