Heightened Lay on Hands?


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Silver Crusade

I'm still trying to get a basic understanding of a number of rules. One thing I see is that Lay On Hands can be heightened +1. I'm not really sure what that means since a Paladin doesn't appear to have spell slots. Based on the rule of his powers are at a level of 1\2 his level rounded down, it starts off as a level 0 spell I guess. But how do you heighten it?


Your powers' level is half your level rounded up. Heightened (+1) means that for every 1 level above the minimum the power operates at you get the given improvement. In this case, the minimum power level is 1 and the improvement is +2d4 HP effect, so for a 9th level paladin (power level 5, i.e. 4 above the min) it has its base effect plus 8d4 HP more.

Silver Crusade

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Your powers' level is half your level rounded up. Heightened (+1) means that for every 1 level above the minimum the power operates at you get the given improvement. In this case, the minimum power level is 1 and the improvement is +2d4 HP effect, so for a 9th level paladin (power level 5, i.e. 4 above the min) it has its base effect plus 8d4 HP more.

Am I mixing up Power vs Spell levels? The text for a Paladin says: "The spell level of each of your champion powers is equal to half your character level, rounded down, and produces heightened effects (see page 192) for those champion powers that have heightened entries."


Hmm, I didn't bother to look up paladins but went with the general rule,

page 194 wrote:

Non-Spellcasters with Powers

If you get powers from a class that doesn’t usually grant the ability to cast spells (for example, if you’re a monk with the Ki Strike feat), the highest level of power you can cast is half your level, rounded up, and your powers are automatically heightened to this level.

While specific does override general, in this case I have to think the paladin text is an error, as it would stop you from using lay on hands at 1st level at all.

Anyway, if you're at an even paladin level, your power level is definitely half that, and lay on hands heals 1d4 + Cha mod + (power level minus 1) * 2d4 from heightening.

Silver Crusade

I would think it would not be heightened immediately at 1st level, right?


Correct, when your power level is 1 you get only the base effect (hence the "power level minus 1" factor in my formula).

If your power level really is 0 when you're 1st level then you can't use the power at all, as it's a level-1 power.

Silver Crusade

This is confusing. Half your character level 1 is .5, so rounded down is 0.
We get access to Champion Powers at level 1, and LoH is our first power, and even get a feat for it at level 1.

I can assume that the text is in error.

Here is the text on 194 for "Powers"
"If you get powers from a class that doesn't usually grant the ability to cast spells (monk with ki strike feat) the highest level of power you can cast is half your level rounded up and your powers are automatically heightened to this level"

It's not any more clear. unless the level 1 exception for LoH is just that... since LoH was a level 2 spell in 1st Ed.

I guess we need a clarification by the designers. Or we accept it as written and provide feedback on it if it proves to be under-powered.
but 1d4 (1d6 with feat) + CHA Bonus seems very under powered at level 3.


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It does not make sense that a Paladin would get Lay on Hands at level one, and then not be able to use it until level 2. Either that power should not be available at level one, or the "rounded down" text is in error. I vote for the latter.

Sovereign Court

I sure hope that it is half level rounded down. Paladin already have a very large toolkit. Them being able to heal as good as a cleric would be ridiculous.

Edit: but they should say it's rounded down minimum 1.

Silver Crusade

By the way, thanks everyone (esp. Fuzzy-Wuzzy) for the great responses!


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The way I read it, a Paladin casts his powers as follows:

Paladin level.....Power level.....Lay on Hands healing
1.........................1.........................1d4+charisma mod
2.........................1.........................1d4+charisma mod
3.........................2.........................3d4+charisma mod
4.........................2..........................3d4+charisma mod
5.........................3...........................5d4+charisma mod
6..........................3..........................5d4+charisma mod
etc.

"Round down" is the general rule. "Round up" for powers is more specific, and so governs. Note that "heightened+1" refers to the spell level, not the character level as I for some reason originally thought. :-)

Grand Lodge

Errata now says rounded up.

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