Cannibalism: evil or just a good use of resources?


Pathfinder Society

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For the purposes of Society play, is cannibalism necessarily an evil act, or would it just be a cultural choice?

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Its going to vary a bit by DM but i would expect it to start at its evil and you might get some leniency

Grand Lodge 4/5

Choosing to kill intelligent beings to eat when other food sources are available, and desecrating corpses, are usually evil acts. Eating an intelligent being's flesh in some other circumstances might be argued as neutral.

The alignment rules in Pathfinder are not cultural choices. They are facts of the universe. If a culture (or a deity, by the way) favours an act that is evil by the game rules, that cultural tenet is evil and a character who follows it commits evil.

Shadow Lodge

Didn't realize it was time for this question to roll back around...

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

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The big thread about cannibalsm

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Do you WANT ghouls? Because that's how you get ghouls.
See a nasty trap in

a certain 1-5 scenario:
Hall of the Flesh Eaters.

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Cannibalism is not inherently evil according to the ultimate authority for PFS, Tonya. Her comments are in that linked thread.

That being said, context matters. Murdering people to eat them is evil, but it is the murder that is evil, not the eating of the dead flesh.

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thorin001 wrote:

Cannibalism is not inherently evil according to the ultimate authority for PFS, Tonya. Her comments are in that linked thread.

That being said, context matters. Murdering people to eat them is evil, but it is the murder that is evil, not the eating of the dead flesh.

Its inherently evil based on whether the dm says its inherently evil or not .

Damn laws of physics and morality keep changing from day to day i tell you

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thorin001 wrote:
Cannibalism is not inherently evil according to the ultimate authority for PFS, Tonya. Her comments are in that linked thread.

That's not actually what she said. It's not entirely clear to me precisely what she meant, but what she said is that it is not banned behavior but such edgy behavior should be moderated to the circumstances/comfort level of the individuals at the table.

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Thanks for linking the old thread. I was on my phone when I did the search for old discussions, and I missed it.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
thorin001 wrote:

Cannibalism is not inherently evil according to the ultimate authority for PFS, Tonya. Her comments are in that linked thread.

That being said, context matters. Murdering people to eat them is evil, but it is the murder that is evil, not the eating of the dead flesh.

Its inherently evil based on whether the dm says its inherently evil or not .

Damn laws of physics and morality keep changing from day to day i tell you

The DM, Tonya, said it is not. The table GM has no authority to change that.

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Blake's Tiger wrote:
thorin001 wrote:
Cannibalism is not inherently evil according to the ultimate authority for PFS, Tonya. Her comments are in that linked thread.
That's not actually what she said. It's not entirely clear to me precisely what she meant, but what she said is that it is not banned behavior but such edgy behavior should be moderated to the circumstances/comfort level of the individuals at the table.

Old rule: Cannibalism is inherently evil.

Tonya: We changed that.

How is that in any way unclear?

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Because the context of the discussion at that point was around the Community Standards and whether a player was even allowed to have his PC perform cannibalism at the table, evil or not. She did not say anything regarding the alignment of the action. She did talk about ensuring the comfort level of the players at your table.

Thus, unclear to me what her stance, if any, is on the alignment in the game of consuming parts of sentient beings. I have a hyposthesis, but I wouldn't personally consider the statement from that post as evidence one way or another.

EDIT: Based on her statement, it appears that there does exist somewhere a ruling from someone other than her that specifically addresses the ruling as she refers to it.

Scarab Sages 5/5

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Blake's Tiger wrote:

Because the context of the discussion at that point was around the Community Standards and whether a player was even allowed to have his PC perform cannibalism at the table, evil or not. She did not say anything regarding the alignment of the action. She did talk about ensuring the comfort level of the players at your table.

Thus, unclear to me what her stance, if any, is on the alignment in the game of consuming parts of sentient beings. I have a hyposthesis, but I wouldn't personally consider the statement from that post as evidence one way or another.

EDIT: Based on her statement, it appears that there does exist somewhere a ruling from someone other than her that specifically addresses the ruling as she refers to it.

Mike Brock officially ruled cannibalism as evil.

The context of the conversation that Tonya weighed in on, was whether cultural situations that are more spiritual (like eating your enemy's heart, liver, spleen and/or kidneys to carry their power and give them ultimate respect) rather than specifically eating flesh for sustenance. There are several cases that could be made where it isn't evil. The context also included separate threads regarding things like slavery, necromancy, prostitution, etc.

They decided, in the new community guidelines, that its ok to be "edgy" as long as you make sure everyone at the table is ok with it. And if they aren't, or there are children, or you are in a particular public place, dial it back.

So no, she didn't rule that cannibalism wasn't evil. She ruled that it might not be in certain circumstances but regardless how the GM individually rules, keep your edgy stuff away from people that don't want to deal with it.

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thorin001 wrote:


Old rule: Cannibalism is inherently evil.
Tonya: We changed that.

How is that in any way unclear?

What was it changed to?

Is cannibalism evil? It depends on the community standards and DMs call.
Is cannibalism evil under the community standards? Have you seen the community standards? You could clear or exclude anything under those.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, Canada—Manitoba aka Kess, Humble Servant of Abadar

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If you have to ask the question............

Shadow Lodge

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Tallow wrote:
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This. She didn't say it was no longer considered evil; she simply lifted the blanket auto-evil-please-don't-do-it that Mike Brock instated, putting it back before the table GM to determine if a specific instance is evil or not. That is not an all-clear to be the edgiest edgelord that ever lorded over edges.

If you're eating them simply because "yum-yum in my tum-tum", it's evil. If, as Tallow suggested, it's done for cultural or ceremonial reasons, it might not be evil. Either way, this is something that can make people intensely uncomfortable, so if you spring it unannounced on a group of strangers, you're way out of line.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

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I think you are asking the wrong question. I think the real question should be, 'Is there an truly valid reason your character needs to engage in cannibalism?'

Given that I can't think of any PFS scenarios that would require you to engage in cannibalism for survival reasons, the only reason I can think for a PC to do this is for role-play flavor. In this regards, it is kind of like your character owning a slave in PFS. While it is logical your character may own one given the prevalence of slavery in PFS, is it necessary to potentially offend/disturb other players at the table simply for the sake of your own RP? "I'm just playing my character," is not a valid justification for inconsiderate play.

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^^^ THIS. 100%. PFS is a group game, where you are often playing with people you don't know.

Home game exist to allow folks to take things in different directions with other consenting adults.

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