Please equalize Prestidigitation


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I think that Prestidigitation should be Prestidigitation, regardless of magical tradition. No other spell in the entire game has effects dependent on the caster's magical tradition. The distributions are totally arbitrary anyway, leading to weird situations like fabulous bards being unable to clean their clothing with Prestidigitation, or druids being unable to get minor nature spirits to lift an object while clerics handle the job just fine.

As it currently stands, arcane arbitrarily has access to all of the prestidigitation effects. Why not extend the luxury to all spellcasters instead of letting wizards (the Quick Preparation class) get away with more quality of life for no reason?


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I completely agree. While I kind of see what kind of direction they were going for with the spell, I see no reason why my cleric shouldn't be able to do her laundry.

Can't be looking like a slob while spreading the good word of her deity, no siree!


I think the reasoning is the underlying essences. Druids are material and vital essences, and so getting spirits to do things for them isn't part of their schtick. Cleaning or dirtying something is material, and Bards cover mental and spiritual essences.

That said, Prestidigitation always felt like as much a Bard spell as a Wizard spell to me. Flesh things out so that Bard can do some as many things with it as Wizard. (Also, I'm a little sad that concentration means the party can't eat flavored things together as a group. My parties have shared a lot of moments together over dwindling trail rations and water that has been magic'd to kinda taste like real food and drink.)


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Cleaning and adjusting color of clothing and oneself is the most important use of prestidigitation for Bards ever. This allows them to represent themselves properly!

Making a show is the second, and flavoring food and drink the close third...


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If occult spells are supposedly all mental and spiritual, then why are spells like dancing lights, shield, and telekinetic projectile on the occult spell list?

I am not saying that as a reason to remove those spells; I am saying this as part of the argument to equalize prestidigitation.


Colette Brunel wrote:

If occult spells are supposedly all mental and spiritual, then why are spells like dancing lights, shield, and telekinetic projectile on the occult spell list?

I am not saying that as a reason to remove those spells; I am saying this as part of the argument to equalize prestidigitation.

Force affects and eery lights are definitely in the spiritual wheelhouse.


Xenocrat wrote:

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Force affects and eery lights are definitely in the spiritual wheelhouse.

So is using force effects to knock the dust off clothes, but here we are.


Colette Brunel wrote:

If occult spells are supposedly all mental and spiritual, then why are spells like dancing lights, shield, and telekinetic projectile on the occult spell list?

I am not saying that as a reason to remove those spells; I am saying this as part of the argument to equalize prestidigitation.

I'd imagine Telekinetic Projectile would be a Mental spell. After all, Telekinesis is typically moving things with your mind.


Snowblind wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:

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Force affects and eery lights are definitely in the spiritual wheelhouse.
So is using force effects to knock the dust off clothes, but here we are.

Poltergeists are not helpful household cleaners. You need Primal Prestidigitation invoking Brownies for that.


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Xenocrat wrote:
Snowblind wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:

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Force affects and eery lights are definitely in the spiritual wheelhouse.
So is using force effects to knock the dust off clothes, but here we are.
Poltergeists are not helpful household cleaners. You need Primal Prestidigitation invoking Brownies for that.

Poltergeists aren't overglorified shieldbearers (Shield) or slingers (TK Projectile) either, but again, here we are.


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Colette Brunel wrote:
The distributions are totally arbitrary anyway, leading to weird situations like fabulous bards being unable to clean their clothing with Prestidigitation, or druids being unable to get minor nature spirits to lift an object while clerics handle the job just fine.

I actually visited the boards for the first time in ages to say just this. How is it that my elegant bard can't touch-up her make-up or clear away the mud from her suede boots using Tidy? Cleaning up was one of the main reasons I always gave this spell to my bards!

As if that isn't bad enough, then we add insult to injury by allowing those dirty hippy druids to use Tidy? Ya know there's a reason they don't teach anyone else their language and it's because there are no words for hygiene; it's embarrassing.

And my poor cleric friends. Their deities want nice shiny tabernacles and spotless altars, but do they even think to help those who are helping them? Maybe give a priest some more mystical elbow grease to tidy up after a messy sacrifice? You know, the one where they got you-know-what in their eye... What a sadistic bunch of hopped-up outsiders those deities are!

HMMPH!

*knocks over all the tables (every last one) on the way out

Let the wizard clean it up!

Grand Lodge

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Damn! I hadn't noticed that previously! That's silly. Not only should every spell list have all the abilities, but they should heighten too! Clean greater areas faster. Flavor more food for longer. Make better looking tchotchkes. As it stands, I'll need to multi-class into Wizard to get what I need from it. Rugglsby will not be a happy Goblin Bard, I assure you!!

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