Goblin: Rough Rider & Animal Companion interaction


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I'm thinking making my first character a goblin druid in the Animal Companion order.

In particular, I am thinking of taking the Rough Rider Ancestry Feat, which reads as thus:

ROUGH RIDER Goblin FEAT 1
Any creature that will bear your weight can
become your loyal steed, and you know how to coax even the strangest beasts into service. You gain the Ride feat, even if you don’t meet the prerequisites. You gain a +1 circumstance bonus to Nature checks to Handle a goblin dog or wolf mount. For more
about the Nature skill, see page 152.

My big question is, assuming an animal companion becomes Medium (which most will do at 4th level), will this allow a Goblin to ride an animal companion without the special Mount quality?


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As worded, a hilariously wide range of things would work as a mount...

Related: Shouldn't stats for a Goblin Dog be in the core book?


froggalpha wrote:

As worded, a hilariously wide range of things would work as a mount...

Related: Shouldn't stats for a Goblin Dog be in the core book?

Strangely, the stats for a Wolf *are* in the book... but without the mount trait, and no indication of how a non-horse AC could ever acquire it.


The mount trait isn't necessary to ride an animal as a mount. The only thing I can find it affects is whether or not you can use an animal companion's "work together" ability while someone is mounted on it. If it doesn't have the mount trait, you can't use "work together" while it's mounted. If it does have the mount trait, you can.

Furthermore, you probably don't want to use the ride feat (granted by the roughrider feat) with an animal companion because animal companions are minions (they only get two actions, which are granted by using "Command a Minion" -- at least I believe that's the intent). In other words, it's kind of a waste.


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Tiene wrote:
The mount trait isn't necessary to ride an animal as a mount. The only thing I can find it affects is whether or not you can use an animal companion's "work together" ability while someone is mounted on it. If it doesn't have the mount trait, you can't use "work together" while it's mounted. If it does have the mount trait, you can.

Yes, but it *is* required if you want to take the animal as a mount via the Paladin class feat or the Cavalier archetype (barring GM intervention). And currently, the only animal companion with the mount tag is Horse.

It's just kind of bizarre that there are these specific mount-granting class features, plus a mount-based ancestry feat that specifically calls out two particular creatures, but said creatures aren't designed to be mounts (and thus make subpar options for such).

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Also, goblins in Golarion traditionally hate and fear horses. It's a bit weird to have no culturally appropriate animal companions with the mount feature.

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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I'd assume in release they would actually give more mount options because goblins on horses or ponies is really weird


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Goblins as paladins (especially the one presented in the playtest) or members of knightly orders (which aren't in the playtest yet part of the cavalier's class) are *also* pretty weird though.


Tiene wrote:
Goblins as paladins (especially the one presented in the playtest) or members of knightly orders (which aren't in the playtest yet part of the cavalier's class) are *also* pretty weird though.

You have to admit Gob Quixote is a fun concept, though.


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Mergy wrote:
Also, goblins in Golarion traditionally hate and fear horses. It's a bit weird to have no culturally appropriate animal companions with the mount feature.

This is why I think they should add a line to the Goblin's Rough Rider ancestry feat that lets you treat a goblin dog or wolf as though it has the mount special ability, or something along those lines.


For reference, I posted a different question related to Rough Rider and Goblin Dogs in its own thread: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2vbqt?Does-a-Rough-Rider-Goblin-give-you-access -to#1

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