The barbarian titan mauler is sketchy and needs clarification


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The barbarian titan mauler is sketchy and needs clarification. It applies a near-global debuff to the character in exchange for a little extra damage. I think it should stand to be revised into something without the penalty, and more themed around shoving enemies around with forced movement.

Also, the free starting weapon is vague. What are the limitations to the starting weapon? Can it be a legendary magic weapon? This should be tightened up.


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For the sluggish 1 I don't think that getting it from multiple source stack so if you get large with later feats you kinda negate the penalty (since you would have it anyway).

For the weapon, I think that having access to a weapon mean lowering martial to simple and exotic to martial if I can extrapolate the ancestry weapon familiarity here. So you would chose any weapon and you have access to it. It is not a free weapon.


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Access just means you can buy it.

It also isn't a little extra damage. The weapon itself deals more damage from the size increase (+2 if its already a 1d12 weapon) and your rage bonus is doubled. So a 18 strength raging barbarian with a large greatsword is doing 1d12+4+2+4 damage (1d12+10).

The rage bonus takes +2 to +4, improves to +6 at 3rd, +8 at 7th, +10 at 11th, +12 at 15th and +14 at 19th. Every attack, every round, for each 3 round cycle. And the weapon damage increase is smaller, but constant, raging or not.

Condition values don't stack (p319)


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Does the larger weapon actually increase the damage, aside from the doubled conditional bonus?


Colette Brunel wrote:
Does the larger weapon actually increase the damage, aside from the doubled conditional bonus?

Page 91, "INCREASING WEAPON DAMAGE DICE"


Draco18s wrote:
Page 91, "INCREASING WEAPON DAMAGE DICE"

That does not say anything about larger weapons dealing more damage.

Fire yai oni, for example, do not have larger damage dice on their katanas.


Colette Brunel wrote:
Draco18s wrote:
Page 91, "INCREASING WEAPON DAMAGE DICE"
That does not say anything about larger weapons dealing more damage
Voss wrote:
zeonsghost wrote:
I'm having trouble finding the damage for Large Weapons, as described in the Titan Mauler ability on Page 56. Any ideas where it's hiding at?

It's probably the fighter sidebar on page 91. Increasing Weapon Damage Dice.

1d4->1d6->1d8->1d10->1d12-> +2 bonus.

You can never increase weapon damage dice more than once.

So a large greatsword would be 1d12+2.

If it _isn't_ that, its basically a 404 error, rules reference not found. The playtest rules basically ignore size except for moving through, hiding behind and screening.

It really ought to be explicit though, because this feels like an educated guess.

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Draco18s wrote:
Colette Brunel wrote:
Draco18s wrote:
Page 91, "INCREASING WEAPON DAMAGE DICE"
That does not say anything about larger weapons dealing more damage
Voss wrote:
zeonsghost wrote:
I'm having trouble finding the damage for Large Weapons, as described in the Titan Mauler ability on Page 56. Any ideas where it's hiding at?

It's probably the fighter sidebar on page 91. Increasing Weapon Damage Dice.

1d4->1d6->1d8->1d10->1d12-> +2 bonus.

You can never increase weapon damage dice more than once.

So a large greatsword would be 1d12+2.

If it _isn't_ that, its basically a 404 error, rules reference not found. The playtest rules basically ignore size except for moving through, hiding behind and screening.

It really ought to be explicit though, because this feels like an educated guess.

Is "zeonsghost" a dev? Because none of that points to larger weapons increasing the damage die, it just says what happens when damage dice are increased. As is, there are no listed rules about how larger or smaller weapons are treated.

Liberty's Edge

Actually, are the only pregens we have the ones that ENWorld previewed? Because if they have a pregen feat for Amiri, we could just look at the damage listed for her weapon and see if it's different than expected.


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I agree with the OP. From what I can tell, at least at first level, and until they add damage for large weapons...

What you get:

  • +2 damage while raging and only while raging

    What you lose

  • -1 to attack rolls
  • -1 to AC
  • -1 to all dex rolls
  • double the cost of your weapon
  • double the weight of your weapon

    The net effects, at least at first level, are a complete hose.


  • The spell Enlarge (p. 221) has the target of the spell grow to size Large and they gain an extra +2 conditional bonus to melee damage.
    It also increases the creature's natural reach by 5 feet.

    These bonuses might very well be specific to the Enlarge spell.

    I do think the intent, however, was to have large weapons provide a damage boost and extra reach.

    Or is it that the extra reach and damage boost come from the fact that the creature itself is being made one size category larger?

    I've been searching but could not find any more information on this subject, did any of the devs actually clarify what having a large weapon means for a Giant Totem Barbarian?

    Liberty's Edge

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    You get double the Conditional Damage bonus from Rage and the Sluggish Condition, that's all.

    No Damage Dice increase, no change to your Reach, no free Weapon.


    dnoisette wrote:

    The spell Enlarge (p. 221) has the target of the spell grow to size Large and they gain an extra +2 conditional bonus to melee damage.

    It also increases the creature's natural reach by 5 feet.

    These bonuses might very well be specific to the Enlarge spell.

    I do think the intent, however, was to have large weapons provide a damage boost and extra reach.

    Or is it that the extra reach and damage boost come from the fact that the creature itself is being made one size category larger?

    I've been searching but could not find any more information on this subject, did any of the devs actually clarify what having a large weapon means for a Giant Totem Barbarian?

    Having a large weapon is a thing you get to have, when you wield it and are raging you get double your normal conditional bonus to damage, which is an effective +2 just like enlarge. You get extra reach from a large weapon via a feat, and via size bumps from other feats. Note, penalties are typed and do not stack, similar to bonuses, this means, while you are at sluggish 1, you notice the downsides of your fatigued round slightly less, and when you enlarge in size you don't gain more sluggishness.

    The big advantage for the titan mauler barbarian is how reach interacts with cleave and whirlwind strike, and of course related weapon qualities like sweep and forceful.

    And yes, they start out rather pitiful, other than that excellent bonus damage, which is pretty good for a first level character. Most hits on the first playtest arc, if I hit, there was a good chance I would kill it, d(anything)+8 is pretty healthy for a first level character.


    Am I reading this right.

    *quote*
    You can use a weapon built for a Large creature if you are Small or Medium (both normally and when raging).

    If you’re not Small or Medium, you can use a weapon built for a creature one size larger than you.

    You gain access to one weapon one size larger than you, of any weapon type otherwise available at character creation.

    It has the normal Price and Bulk for a weapon of its size (page 295).

    When wielding such a weapon in combat, increase your additional damage from Rage from 2 to 6, but you have the clumsy 1 condition (page 618) because of the weapon’s unwieldy size.

    You can’t remove this clumsy condition or ignore its penalties by any means while wielding the weapon.
    *quote*

    It then says in equipment pg 295 any character can use a weapon of one size larger size, with the clumsy penalty. This would mean the only benefit to this rage is the +4 extra damage when raging ... what’s the point? Why have the first 2 sentences when anyone can do it?


    I think it's that weapons of large size or larger are generally unavailable for most characters as well as most communities. Could be wrong though, but that's what my instinct says (pun intended)

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