Standard summons (CRB) versus Sacred Summons (UM)


Rules Questions


My group and I are having a conversation about what a summoned creature (tiger) can do when it is summoned.

Two situations:

1) Standard summon (1 round summon time)
a) Start summoning at the beginning of round 1
b) Creature appears beginning of round 2
c) Creature gets full attack (tiger - claw/claw/bite). We agree on this.

2) Sacred Summons (standard action summon time)
a) Start summoning at the beginning of round 1
b) Creature appears in the middle of round 1
c) Disagreement time:
I say the creature only gets a standard action (ie. one attack) during round 1
Group says the tiger gets a full round action (ie. all three attacks) during round 1

Which of us is correct, and why?

thanks,

-- david


The creature gets a full round attack because by default creatures get full attacks on their turn. In order to be limited to a standard action there'd need to be a specific rule saying so.
No other standard action summon is limited to a standard action either.


The creature gets its full actions upon being summoned. The really bad news is that sacred summons doesn’t work on the tiger. The creature has to have matching subtypes. Not just matching alignment.


Standard action summons are quite powerful because of the summon getting it's full turn.


Melkiador wrote:
The creature gets its full actions upon being summoned. The really bad news is that sacred summons doesn’t work on the tiger. The creature has to have matching subtypes. Not just matching alignment.

A tiger is true neutral. Wouldn't a True Neutral Cleric be able to summon one?


True neutral isn’t a subtype.


So what can a True Neutral cleric summon, using Sacred Summons?

For instance:

Kyton CR 6
LE Medium outsider (evil, extraplanar, kyton, lawful)

The Kyton would be a lawful and evil alignment subtype, right?

So are there any neutral alignment subtypes?

-- david

Thanks for the help.


That feat isnt really good because your selection is limited. It goes by the monsteer subtype, not alignment, and that subtype has to match the alignment of the cleric aura.
There is no neutral subtype.

Yes, kyton would be lawful and evil.

The clerics aura will match their deity's alignment if they have one.


Thank you all for your help. We reached a compromise.

They can summon neutral animals & elementals using Sacred Summons, but the summoned creature only gets a single move action or a single attack action in the round they show up.

-- david

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