paizo.com Recent Posts in Option incompatibilities that bug you?paizo.com Recent Posts in Option incompatibilities that bug you?2018-06-11T13:16:15Z2018-06-11T13:16:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Slim Jimhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#482018-06-17T21:13:31Z2018-06-17T21:13:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">deuxhero wrote:</div><blockquote> +2 charisma and +2 charisma for purpose of sorcerer is also done by Ifriti out of the box. It's all they are useful for. </blockquote><p>Fiery Glare has its uses.deuxhero wrote:+2 charisma and +2 charisma for purpose of sorcerer is also done by Ifriti out of the box. It's all they are useful for.
Fiery Glare has its uses.Slim Jim2018-06-17T21:13:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?deuxherohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#472018-06-18T01:59:11Z2018-06-17T21:11:05Z<p>+2 charisma and +2 charisma for purpose of sorcerer is also done by Ifriti out of the box. It's all they are useful for.</p>+2 charisma and +2 charisma for purpose of sorcerer is also done by Ifriti out of the box. It's all they are useful for.deuxhero2018-06-17T21:11:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Sethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#462018-06-18T01:58:43Z2018-06-17T18:00:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">avr wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To help the full orcs the revised scarred witch doctor had a virtual +2 Int added to cancel out their Int penalty. However, a half-orc can have an Int <i>bonus</i> and gets the virtual +2 on top of that.</p>
<p>Ed: Ninja'd </blockquote><p>This applies to a few Tiefling sub-races as well, who get Tiefling Sorcery, meant to offset the penalties of a standard Tieflings Charisma penalty, and yet, in some cases, have no such penalty, or even have a Charisma •bonus.•
<p>That said, it's hardly an egregious power-combo, IMO.</p>avr wrote:To help the full orcs the revised scarred witch doctor had a virtual +2 Int added to cancel out their Int penalty. However, a half-orc can have an Int bonus and gets the virtual +2 on top of that.
Ed: Ninja'd
This applies to a few Tiefling sub-races as well, who get Tiefling Sorcery, meant to offset the penalties of a standard Tieflings Charisma penalty, and yet, in some cases, have no such penalty, or even have a Charisma *bonus.* That said, it's hardly an egregious power-combo,...Set2018-06-17T18:00:55ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#452018-06-17T12:06:22Z2018-06-17T12:06:22Z<p>I really want to make a brawler / dwarven scholar after reading that.</p>I really want to make a brawler / dwarven scholar after reading that.avr2018-06-17T12:06:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?UnArcaneElectionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#442018-06-17T09:27:20Z2018-06-17T09:27:20Z<p>Well, on the one hand I'm glad for the latest Archives of Nethys update, but on the other hand, I just learned of a new really annoying option incompatibility: The Dwarven Bard archetypes <a href="https://www.aonprd.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Bard%20Dwarven%20Scholar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dwarven Scholar</a> and <a href="https://www.aonprd.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Bard%20Stonesinger" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Stonesinger</a> are incompatible.</p>Well, on the one hand I'm glad for the latest Archives of Nethys update, but on the other hand, I just learned of a new really annoying option incompatibility: The Dwarven Bard archetypes Dwarven Scholar and Stonesinger are incompatible.UnArcaneElection2018-06-17T09:27:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?DeusTerranhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#432018-06-17T01:58:20Z2018-06-17T01:58:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MrCharisma wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I understand why they did this, but - You can't multi-class Paladin/Barbarian due to alignment restrictions. Thematically this kind-of makes sense until you read all the material out there about "re-flavouring rage". But mechanically this stops you picking up the Fatigue Mercy and rage-cycling from character-level 4 onward (the ability to ignore post-rage-fatigue is a level 17 Barbarian ability).
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Except ever since the release of the Bloodrager class this has kind of been a moot point. You can absolutely have a Rage-cycling Paladin if you dip into Bloodrager instead of Barbarian. </blockquote><p>You can't get the fatigue mercy for a multiclass pali/barb, but it IS possible to multiclass as a paladin and a barbarian, or pali/anything outside of it's alignment restrictions. Introducing the <a href="http://www.archivesofnethys.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Paladin%20Vindictive%20Bastard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Vindictive Bastard</a> It's not the greatest, but hey it's a way to get some of yer pally powers back if you ever fall!MrCharisma wrote:I understand why they did this, but - You can't multi-class Paladin/Barbarian due to alignment restrictions. Thematically this kind-of makes sense until you read all the material out there about "re-flavouring rage". But mechanically this stops you picking up the Fatigue Mercy and rage-cycling from character-level 4 onward (the ability to ignore post-rage-fatigue is a level 17 Barbarian ability).
Except ever since the release of the Bloodrager class this has kind of been a...DeusTerran2018-06-17T01:58:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Kloroxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#422018-06-16T10:27:08Z2018-06-16T10:27:08Z<p>well, bug the 'errata', they should have done that before they published ARG, because the Scarred Witch doctor works perfectly well as oroginally published, and the new version is... well, it never felt right to me. </p>
<p>Yeah, I know, I may have been contaminated by D&D4 where many classes were mostly SAD on whatever main ability they were built around, so a CON based spelllcaster does not shock me anymore, but still there was something that felt right about the SWD drawing power from its sheer endurance... and if it had to be based on a mental ability, Wis or Char would feel more appropriate, don't ask me why, it's just that an orc class based on Int just feels dead wrong.</p>well, bug the 'errata', they should have done that before they published ARG, because the Scarred Witch doctor works perfectly well as oroginally published, and the new version is... well, it never felt right to me.
Yeah, I know, I may have been contaminated by D&D4 where many classes were mostly SAD on whatever main ability they were built around, so a CON based spelllcaster does not shock me anymore, but still there was something that felt right about the SWD drawing power from its sheer...Klorox2018-06-16T10:27:08ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#412018-06-16T09:20:43Z2018-06-16T08:10:20Z<p>To help the full orcs the revised scarred witch doctor had a virtual +2 Int added to cancel out their Int penalty. However, a half-orc can have an Int <i>bonus</i> and gets the virtual +2 on top of that.</p>
<p>Ed: Ninja'd</p>To help the full orcs the revised scarred witch doctor had a virtual +2 Int added to cancel out their Int penalty. However, a half-orc can have an Int bonus and gets the virtual +2 on top of that.
Ed: Ninja'davr2018-06-16T08:10:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Java Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#402018-06-16T09:20:42Z2018-06-16T08:05:18Z<p>The problem is this ability:</p>
<p>Fierce Intelligence: A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence score as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells she can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her hexes determined by her Intelligence.</p>
<p>Give that to a character with a racial int bonus, like a half orc.</p>The problem is this ability:
Fierce Intelligence: A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence score as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells she can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her hexes determined by her Intelligence.
Give that to a character with a racial int bonus, like a half orc.Java Man2018-06-16T08:05:18ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Kloroxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#392018-06-16T07:37:06Z2018-06-16T07:32:01Z<p>I remember it, but I don't really get your meaning. could you please amplify? I mean, sure, a 1/2Orc can add to his Int as easily as to his CON... but I'm thinking of conventional full Orcs who are penalized in INt (and have no Con Bonus).</p>I remember it, but I don't really get your meaning. could you please amplify? I mean, sure, a 1/2Orc can add to his Int as easily as to his CON... but I'm thinking of conventional full Orcs who are penalized in INt (and have no Con Bonus).Klorox2018-06-16T07:32:01ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?UnArcaneElectionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#382018-06-16T06:36:15Z2018-06-16T06:36:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Klorox wrote:</div><blockquote> clearly as dumb as was turning the Orc Scarred Shaman witch archetype INt based in an errata when the class was obviously made to be Con SAD, in the "corrected" state, it's MAD and virtually unplayable. </blockquote><p>Scarred Witch Doctor is worse than that — it killed some interesting Orc Scarred Witch Doctor gish builds, but it made otherwise conventional Half-Orc Scarred Witch Doctor builds super-powered. Didn't they remember that Half-Orcs can put their +2 <i>anywhere</i>?Klorox wrote:clearly as dumb as was turning the Orc Scarred Shaman witch archetype INt based in an errata when the class was obviously made to be Con SAD, in the "corrected" state, it's MAD and virtually unplayable.
Scarred Witch Doctor is worse than that -- it killed some interesting Orc Scarred Witch Doctor gish builds, but it made otherwise conventional Half-Orc Scarred Witch Doctor builds super-powered. Didn't they remember that Half-Orcs can put their +2 anywhere?UnArcaneElection2018-06-16T06:36:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Tim Statlerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#372018-06-15T20:17:56Z2018-06-15T20:17:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote><p> For me it's the inability to easily combine the down time business rules with the kingdom building rules.</p>
<p>It's kind of hard to argue that there's no bank in the kingdom, just because the PC's didn't spend 28 BP on it, but DID spend 1,570gp to start a banking business.</p>
<p>Problem is that if you did allow a player's banking business to affect things at the kingdom level, no one would ever spend the much more costly BP.</p>
<p>I can't believe the game developers wrote the rules at the same time, published them in the same book, and didn't think to create a balanced connection/overlap between these two rule systems. </blockquote><p>Actually they didn't.
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The Kingdom rules came out in the Kingmaker AP about a year earlier.</p>Ravingdork wrote:For me it's the inability to easily combine the down time business rules with the kingdom building rules.
It's kind of hard to argue that there's no bank in the kingdom, just because the PC's didn't spend 28 BP on it, but DID spend 1,570gp to start a banking business.
Problem is that if you did allow a player's banking business to affect things at the kingdom level, no one would ever spend the much more costly BP.
I can't believe the game developers wrote the rules at the...Tim Statler2018-06-15T20:17:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Saffron Marveloushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#362018-06-15T21:06:02Z2018-06-15T17:55:35Z<p>It'd be nice if the Sword Saint could vital strike their iaijutsu strike, even if it required a feat to do.</p>It'd be nice if the Sword Saint could vital strike their iaijutsu strike, even if it required a feat to do.Saffron Marvelous2018-06-15T17:55:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Kloroxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#352018-06-15T11:31:32Z2018-06-15T11:31:32Z<p>clearly as dumb as was turning the Orc Scarred Shaman witch archetype INt based in an errata when the class was obviously made to be Con SAD, in the "corrected" state, it's MAD and virtually unplayable.</p>clearly as dumb as was turning the Orc Scarred Shaman witch archetype INt based in an errata when the class was obviously made to be Con SAD, in the "corrected" state, it's MAD and virtually unplayable.Klorox2018-06-15T11:31:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?MrCharismahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#342018-06-15T10:51:09Z2018-06-15T10:32:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">MrCharisma wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cavall wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.</p>
<p>But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons". </blockquote><p>Why can't an Invulnerable Rager take Increased Damage Reduction?
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<a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo-rage-powers/increased-damage-reduction-ex" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LINK FOR REFERENCE</a> </blockquote><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9uqg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Because gaining damage reduction from "invulnerability" isn't the same as "damage reduction", apparently :/</a> </blockquote><p>Well then, that IS dumb. (That FAQ also seems like it directly contradicts both RAI and RAW, so I say Phoey to them!)
<p><b>EDIT:</b> I'm just gonna put</p>Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:MrCharisma wrote: Cavall wrote:There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.
But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons".
Why can't an Invulnerable Rager take Increased Damage Reduction?
LINK FOR REFERENCE Because gaining damage reduction from "invulnerability" isn't the same as "damage reduction", apparently :/ Well then, that IS...MrCharisma2018-06-15T10:32:34ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Darigaaz the Igniterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#332018-06-15T09:51:56Z2018-06-15T09:51:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MrCharisma wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cavall wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.</p>
<p>But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons". </blockquote><p>Why can't an Invulnerable Rager take Increased Damage Reduction?
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<a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo-rage-powers/increased-damage-reduction-ex" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LINK FOR REFERENCE</a> </blockquote><p><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9uqg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Because gaining damage reduction from "invulnerability" isn't the same as "damage reduction", apparently :/</a>MrCharisma wrote:Cavall wrote:There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.
But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons".
Why can't an Invulnerable Rager take Increased Damage Reduction?
LINK FOR REFERENCE Because gaining damage reduction from "invulnerability" isn't the same as "damage reduction", apparently :/Darigaaz the Igniter2018-06-15T09:51:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?MrCharismahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#322018-06-15T09:41:33Z2018-06-15T09:41:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cavall wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.</p>
<p>But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons". </blockquote><p>Why can't an Invulnerable Rager take Increased Damage Reduction?
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<a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo-rage-powers/increased-damage-reduction-ex" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LINK FOR REFERENCE</a></p>Cavall wrote:There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.
But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons".
Why can't an Invulnerable Rager take Increased Damage Reduction?
LINK FOR REFERENCEMrCharisma2018-06-15T09:41:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Cavallhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#312018-06-15T06:55:02Z2018-06-15T06:55:02Z<p>There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.</p>
<p>But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons".</p>There's a few I hate. Some bard healing archtypes not stacking, witch too.
But without a doubt the one that grinds on me the most is invulnerable rager not being able to take improved damage reduction. Because "reasons".Cavall2018-06-15T06:55:02ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?ErichADhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#302018-06-15T08:19:58Z2018-06-15T02:31:53Z<p>My biggest incompatibility annoyance is Wildshape specific feats not working with other polymorph effects like spells or natural shape shifting. This extends to the differentiation between unarmed attacks and natural weapons.</p>
<p>I'm also not a fan of abilities that are identical in everything but name that can't be treated as one another for the purpose of prerequisites.</p>
<p>There are also some archetypes that trade out a major class defining feature that take some additional things with them. You can't just change a cavalier's mount out for a different type of mount and alter things that wouldn't work with the new mount, you instead have a bunch of other weird minor changes to keep track of as well that may block you from achieving your goal without dipping out again to regain lost abilities.</p>
<p>Kineticist incompatibility with spell casting and martial character options is also a big pain. They seem to be locked out of multiclassing and have very little feat support.</p>My biggest incompatibility annoyance is Wildshape specific feats not working with other polymorph effects like spells or natural shape shifting. This extends to the differentiation between unarmed attacks and natural weapons.
I'm also not a fan of abilities that are identical in everything but name that can't be treated as one another for the purpose of prerequisites.
There are also some archetypes that trade out a major class defining feature that take some additional things with them. You...ErichAD2018-06-15T02:31:53ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Zolanotephhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#292018-06-14T14:23:45Z2018-06-14T14:23:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SorrySleeping wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Zolanoteph wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Eldritch scoundrel rogue grants wizard spells up to level 6</p>
<p>Sylvan trickster rogue gives you some witch hexes</p>
<p>I wish so, so badly that I could have it both ways. </blockquote><p>I hate how easily the two can stack, since they both change different aspects of Rogue Talents and Uncanny Dodge.
<p>>Half Talent progression, gaining Rogue Talents, Ninja Tricks, or Witch Hexes
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>Resist Nature's Lure and Fey Resistance are Rogue Talents you can pick up at 4th/12th. </blockquote><p>Pretty annoying. I hate to be a whiny forum sissyboy but it's true that rogues don't get many nice things.SorrySleeping wrote:Zolanoteph wrote:Eldritch scoundrel rogue grants wizard spells up to level 6
Sylvan trickster rogue gives you some witch hexes
I wish so, so badly that I could have it both ways.
I hate how easily the two can stack, since they both change different aspects of Rogue Talents and Uncanny Dodge. >Half Talent progression, gaining Rogue Talents, Ninja Tricks, or Witch Hexes
>Resist Nature's Lure and Fey Resistance are Rogue Talents you can pick up at 4th/12th. Pretty...Zolanoteph2018-06-14T14:23:06ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?JoeElfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#282018-06-14T13:21:41Z2018-06-14T13:21:41Z<p>Trying to run 2 bardic buffs simultaneously. Not just the masterpieces eating into more valuable feats and spells (and still arguably not being able to run with a performance), but the various performances (that you would actually use, anyway) nearly always being exclusive.</p>Trying to run 2 bardic buffs simultaneously. Not just the masterpieces eating into more valuable feats and spells (and still arguably not being able to run with a performance), but the various performances (that you would actually use, anyway) nearly always being exclusive.JoeElf2018-06-14T13:21:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?SorrySleepinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#272018-06-14T09:46:37Z2018-06-14T09:46:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zolanoteph wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Eldritch scoundrel rogue grants wizard spells up to level 6</p>
<p>Sylvan trickster rogue gives you some witch hexes</p>
<p>I wish so, so badly that I could have it both ways. </blockquote><p>I hate how easily the two can stack, since they both change different aspects of Rogue Talents and Uncanny Dodge.
<p>>Half Talent progression, gaining Rogue Talents, Ninja Tricks, or Witch Hexes
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>Resist Nature's Lure and Fey Resistance are Rogue Talents you can pick up at 4th/12th.</p>Zolanoteph wrote:Eldritch scoundrel rogue grants wizard spells up to level 6
Sylvan trickster rogue gives you some witch hexes
I wish so, so badly that I could have it both ways.
I hate how easily the two can stack, since they both change different aspects of Rogue Talents and Uncanny Dodge. >Half Talent progression, gaining Rogue Talents, Ninja Tricks, or Witch Hexes
>Resist Nature's Lure and Fey Resistance are Rogue Talents you can pick up at 4th/12th.SorrySleeping2018-06-14T09:46:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?deuxherohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#262018-06-14T06:29:26Z2018-06-14T06:29:26Z<p>Jiang-shi can't take the Agile Tongue feat. Their complete non-interaction with the jumping rules in acrobatics is pretty weird too.</p>Jiang-shi can't take the Agile Tongue feat. Their complete non-interaction with the jumping rules in acrobatics is pretty weird too.deuxhero2018-06-14T06:29:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Zolanotephhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#252018-06-15T20:18:53Z2018-06-12T19:49:17Z<p>Eldritch scoundrel rogue grants wizard spells up to level 6</p>
<p>Sylvan trickster rogue gives you some witch hexes</p>
<p>I wish so, so badly that I could have it both ways.</p>Eldritch scoundrel rogue grants wizard spells up to level 6
Sylvan trickster rogue gives you some witch hexes
I wish so, so badly that I could have it both ways.Zolanoteph2018-06-12T19:49:17ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Option incompatibilities that bug you?Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6fv?Option-incompatibilities-that-bug-you#242018-12-25T12:18:59Z2018-06-12T18:25:47Z<p>For me it's the inability to easily combine the down time business rules with the kingdom building rules.</p>
<p>It's kind of hard to argue that there's no bank in the kingdom, just because the PC's didn't spend 28 BP on it, but DID spend 1,570gp to start a banking business.</p>
<p>Problem is that if you did allow a player's banking business to affect things at the kingdom level, no one would ever spend the much more costly BP.</p>
<p>I can't believe the game developers wrote the rules at the same time, published them in the same book, and didn't think to create a balanced connection/overlap between these two rule systems.</p>For me it's the inability to easily combine the down time business rules with the kingdom building rules.
It's kind of hard to argue that there's no bank in the kingdom, just because the PC's didn't spend 28 BP on it, but DID spend 1,570gp to start a banking business.
Problem is that if you did allow a player's banking business to affect things at the kingdom level, no one would ever spend the much more costly BP.
I can't believe the game developers wrote the rules at the same time,...Ravingdork2018-06-12T18:25:47Z