way too early speculation on future hardcover release for PF2


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Yes, this is WAY too early
But any thoughts/hopes on release plans for hardcover books

We can expect Core Rule book PF2
(is that the name of initial rulebook?)
Also bestiary (Discussion of massive in size)

Are these two books being planned for release (at same time) at GenCon 2019?

What's next after that?

It has been stated that Paizo does not want to just rework 1st edition materials, but we all know they need to quickly get 2nd edition versions of everyone's favorite class/monster/fate/spell/etc

How will this be released? Any specific theme
(think Ultimate magic, Ultimate combat, etc)

I would very much like to see something along lines of Ultimate war
Rules on mass combat, also rules on stronghold building

Liberty's Edge

I think the most likely new edition books are one or more Class Books (possibly themed) and an Ancestry Book converting a lot of PF1 races.


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Deadmanwalking wrote:
I think the most likely new edition books are one or more Class Books (possibly themed) and an Ancestry Book converting a lot of PF1 races.

I hope so, I'm not even going to consider 2nd Edition until I can "play the character I want to play". Hopefully with existing classes and ancestries brought forward in two or three hardback.

To me, the "core" classes and races aren't Pathfinder, it's just the stuff they took from D&D and refurbished. Pathfinder is all the original material they created afterwards.


I figure the PF1 classes will likely be brought over (at least ones not made obsolete by the new system, I suspect many of the hybrid classes will lose their reason to exist due to flexibility in the core classes). And I'd assume it'd be early in the design cycle. But I'd also guess there there will have to be a wait, maybe a year or two before we get them in PF2. Mostly because it's going to take time to design and test them to get something balanced and interesting instead of something just tossed together. And considering doing the many many classes in one go would be quite a bit, I suspect we'll get a few at a time. Maybe the APG classes plus Magus and Gunslinger in one book at Gencon 2020, Occult in another another year later then the hybrids that still make sense in a third.


I think we'll also need a pretty decent sized NPC/Monster/Villan codex. Preferably one of each, or more, and with more classes.
I personally would be thrilled to get a Pathfinder Unchained monster builder that covers non-core classes, but others will not be happy so it'll have to include ways to build them either way.
I also hope there's a PRD.


Thought of another possible hardcover: something that consolidates the various skill challenge rules. The chase rules, social combat, research at a library, exploring the wilderness, and anything else they can come up with that might require special considerations outside a general skill challenge ruleset. I hope the general framework is in the core book, but I also want a book that specializes in it and a bunch of class feats and spell powers that focus on that too.
Call it “Ultimate Exploration.” “Ultimate Downtime” can be the replacement for “Ultimate Campaign.”


Doktor Weasel wrote:
I figure the PF1 classes will likely be brought over (at least ones not made obsolete by the new system, I suspect many of the hybrid classes will lose their reason to exist due to flexibility in the core classes). And I'd assume it'd be early in the design cycle. But I'd also guess there there will have to be a wait, maybe a year or two before we get them in PF2. Mostly because it's going to take time to design and test them to get something balanced and interesting instead of something just tossed together. And considering doing the many many classes in one go would be quite a bit, I suspect we'll get a few at a time. Maybe the APG classes plus Magus and Gunslinger in one book at Gencon 2020, Occult in another another year later then the hybrids that still make sense in a third.

I'm not buying APG a second time, nor Occult Adventures, nor ACG. I can already play the classes in them right now. If Paizo wants me to get on board they need to offer something better than what I have in my bookcase.

Each of those classes were unique, with their own abilities that won't be replicated by archetypes or multiclassing. Until all the classes Paizo already spent time developing and that players built affection for are brought forward, 2nd Edition will be a step down from 1st.

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