So I'm fairly to new to the pen and paper version of pathfinder ( few years of the card game ) but I'm wanting to create a character, but unsure which class. I'm a big fan of rogues (with the whips, daggers, and treasure seeking) and also of magic in the way of sorcerers innate ability to cast And harrowers . Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. I do have access to almost every major book, but not sure where to start. Thanks
Well, if you want a spellcasting rogue, you could play as an archaeologist bard. You have all the spells of the bard with a few more weapon choices than a Rogue and the ability to wear a shield without penalty. You lose the magical Performances like Inspire Courage, but gain a Luck bonus to rolls and several Rogue Class Features, including Rogue Talents every 4 levels.
Well, if you want a spellcasting rogue, you could play as an archaeologist bard. You have all the spells of the bard with a few more weapon choices than a Rogue and the ability to wear a shield without penalty. You lose the magical Performances like Inspire Courage, but gain a Luck bonus to rolls and several Rogue Class Features, including Rogue Talents every 4 levels.
I guess I overlooked bards as I have a somewhat negative preconceived idea, they are just mixed bag not great at anyone thing but ok at lots. But I'll look into for sure.
Does the the investigator fit the rogue/magic fit?
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If you want to play as a rogue / caster, take a look at the Arcane Trickster PrC. You basically need 4 levels of rogue and 3 levels of some type of arcane caster, like a sorc/wiz/arcanist, and you can become an Arcane Trickster. They're really fun.
You can play as an eldritch scoundrel.Only downside is it is locked in to Core rogue.
Note that while this is technically true, it is a VERY small leap for your DM to allow you to use this with Unchained Rogue by replacing Danger Sense instead of Trap Sense.
Eldritch scoundrel rogue gains access to wizard spells and plays as a very fragile glass cannon that hybridizes roguery and magic like nothing else in the game.
I feel the eldritch scoundrel is almost a hybrid class unto itself than a mere archetype.
Danger Sense says it counts as Trapsense for anything that requires it as a prerequisite, or replaces it. Eldritch Scoundrel is completely available for UC Rogues. And it stacks with the Counterfeit Mage archetype, as well.
It still sucks compared to a Bard, but UnChained Eldritch Scoundrel/Counterfeit Mage is totally doable. You only get a Rogue Talent every 4 levels, and you give up the one @ 4 to get Signature Wand. You only get Sneak Attack @ 3,7,11,15,19 which is whatever.
I know this because I gestalted this with the Fighter archetype Child of Acavna and Amaznen to make a fake-wizard NPC for my upcoming Gestalt Kingsmaker campaign.
I would think that the Archeologist Bard is exactly what you are looking for, though. It has innate spellcasting and Rogue Talents, two things you mentioned that interest you. Whip proficiency and treasure hunting, at your service. Sacred Tattoo Half Orc with Fate's Favored trait would give you all the luck stuffs ever.
Honestly I think you should try bard. It's got everything your looking for and it's stronger than you think.
The other one you should try is Investigator, it's basically a rogue who can brew their own potions every day (and only take 1 minute each to brew). Also while their "Sneak Attack" deals less damage (studied combat), they don't need to worry about stealth or flanking to use it and it gives a bonus to hit that the rogue wishes it had.
If you are going to go into the Arcane Trickster Prestige Class, the best way to do it is:
1. UC Rogue (Waylayer)
Finesse Training Ex.
Sneak Attack +1D6
Staggering Reflexes Ex. (Add 1/2 level to iniative, character level not class level)
2.-4. Any Wizard of your choice, just take the Advanced Sneak Attack feat @ 3...
Arcane Trickster Prestige @ 5. Enjoy.
Might I suggest Dimensional Agility/Assault/Dervish...
Rogue/Unchained Rogue is not a good idea for beginners. I'd instead recommend Slayer if you want to try that style of play.
Bard is definitely a mix of what you wanted, and is a very well-written class. It's also a spontaneous caster (as is Sorcerer, which you mentioned).
If you are going to go into the Arcane Trickster Prestige Class, the best way to do it is:
1. UC Rogue (Waylayer)
Finesse Training Ex.
Sneak Attack +1D6
Staggering Reflexes Ex. (Add 1/2 level to iniative, character level not class level)2.-4. Any Wizard of your choice, just take the Advanced Sneak Attack feat @ 3...
Arcane Trickster Prestige @ 5. Enjoy.
Might I suggest Dimensional Agility/Assault/Dervish...
Nice!
Wow thank you everyone! I have some reading up to do tonight!
Slayer: Not quite what I am looking for but def feathering that cap
Archaeologist Bard: I am doing more reading on bards in general first
Bard: Intriguing though the performance is iffy for me but see above class.
Elderitch Scoundrel: there was only a short bit in arcane anthology but I am not sure, I do prefer innate spellcasting vs wizard prep.
Unchained Rogue: This one i need more time with but I tend to agree it might be a bit too advanced for me starting.
Investigator: I was thinking along this lines earlier as I'm a fan of alchemist not sure.
I really do apperciate everyone's input
So I'm fairly to new to the pen and paper version of pathfinder ( few years of the card game ) but I'm wanting to create a character, but unsure which class. I'm a big fan of... the whips, daggers... and also of magic.... Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. I do have access to almost every major book, but not sure where to start. ThanksI have a funny thought. If you really want to develop Whip, and you want to cast spells. Consider being a Warpriest and make your Sacred Weapon a Whip. You get to cast Spells. Your Whip will do Sacred Weapon Damage instead of the low damage for Whip, and there are a lot of cool feats that go with Whip, things that will give you like a 15' Reach, make you awesome at Tripping and Disarming, lots of neat tricks, and like I said before, since you will be a Warpriest, your Damage will be respectable.
Which Deity favored weapon is whip by chance?
I don't know which Deity would favor the whip, but even with Sacred Weapon Damage, you will still need the Whip Mastery feat to get past an opponent's Armor Bonus and deal lethal damage. As well as to not provoke an AoO when using a whip.
You can play as an eldritch scoundrel.Only downside is it is locked in to Core rogue.
This is a PFS-specific ruling, and doesn't have any basis in the rules text. If you're in a home game they're perfectly compatible.
Note that while this is technically true, it is a VERY small leap for your DM to allow you to use this with Unchained Rogue by replacing Danger Sense instead of Trap Sense.
The Unchained Rogue rules specifically state that Danger Sense counts as Trap Sense for all purposes, including exchanging abilities with archetypes. So yes, you're in the clear. I don't know why people are calling it complicated; make your highest ability score dexterity, get a weapon that works with weapon finesse, and you're done. If you are going to be a spellcaster you can't dual wield, but otherwise there are very few restrictions here.
As for Arcane Trickster vs Eldritch Scoundrel comparison, the Arcane Trickster is a very caster-heavy build that will focus very strongly on spellcasting. You won't be making any weapon attacks with that build. The Eldritch Scoundrel, on the other hand, is very combat-oriented and will use its melee attacks as its primary contribution in combat. Your spellcasting ability will be for support, defense, and utility and will not be used offensively. They both fill their respective niches quite well, and which is better depends entirely on which style appeals to you as a player.
Investigator and Alchemist both can be used to get a roguish-feel with a bit of magic ("spell in a can" so to speak) on the side. If that looks appealing to you, you should enjoy them.
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Which Deity favored weapon is whip by chance?So I'm fairly to new to the pen and paper version of pathfinder ( few years of the card game ) but I'm wanting to create a character, but unsure which class. I'm a big fan of... the whips, daggers... and also of magic.... Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. I do have access to almost every major book, but not sure where to start. ThanksI have a funny thought. If you really want to develop Whip, and you want to cast spells. Consider being a Warpriest and make your Sacred Weapon a Whip. You get to cast Spells. Your Whip will do Sacred Weapon Damage instead of the low damage for Whip, and there are a lot of cool feats that go with Whip, things that will give you like a 15' Reach, make you awesome at Tripping and Disarming, lots of neat tricks, and like I said before, since you will be a Warpriest, your Damage will be respectable.
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