I need guidance to my Evil PC


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Scarab Sages

Hello there,

I am trying to build an Evil PC, probably chaotic, that would slowly try to drive good PC to madness or sefl-destruction.
He would be ultimately defeated in his evil goal but I would like to let him do his stuff for a lot of time before that.

I think it would be an interresting idea to discuss about how each of us would try to build someone like that.

Here is the starting idea I have for myself:

Kitsune, Vigilante 1 / Mesmerist X

The Vigilante dip is mainly for Dual Identity.

The idea is to take the Vigilante talent "Seemless Shapechanger" and the Kitsune feat to be able to transform into anyone in order to manipulate people around him, and use his psychic spells to compel people to do things against their will, and spread chaos while remaining unoticed and innocent looking.

For exemple, while trying to negociate, he would force one people to attack another and ruins everything.
Or using the face of a trusted guard he would lead the PC to a cave where monsters are more powerfull than they thought.

Here are my concerns :

- I am not sure if I read correctly "Seemless Shapechanger". It says "The vigilante seamlessly adopts any persona he assumes with magic. The vigilante adds his seamless guise bonus to the bonus on Disguise checks that he gains to assume the shape of another creature with a polymorph spell or effect."
Does that means he have more than two identities if he can transform in several people ? Or is he still one of his two identities when adopting another persona ?

- Can you cast Psychic spells without anyone noticing it since there is no composant ? Does the victim knows that she was under a spell ? Does she knows who or where the caster is while being targeted ?

- At some point "True Seeing" will totaly waste the polymorphic disguise and the overall concept is doomed. Any idea to counter that and let the PC play after low levels ?

- I just have a global concept, how would you build it ? Since it will travel with the PC it still needs to be somewhat usefull in fight to not die miserably. I assume he would need to hide his psychic habilities from them and just pass for an under-average martial ?

- Would you dip more into Vigilante ? How so ?


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This kind of character doesn't mix well with a party and isn't fun for the other players of the party to deal with.

My advice to you is to please come up with a different idea.

As soon as anyone catches on to what you're trying to do, reasonable people would kick your character from the group or kill you. But I've seen times were a character gets excuses because it's a PC and they don't want to be mean to someone.

But think of it like this, if you knew everything about what your character intends to do, would you want to be around them? To work with them? Probably not.

Build a character that wants to work with the party and doesn't want to screw them over. You can be chaotic evil and still work with a party. But it means you have to come up with reasons why you would work with a party and not screw them over, or downplay those aspects of your character.


Chaotic Evil characters are absolutely not a good idea to play in a group, and it sounds like your entire concept is to make the other players and the GM miserable.


That sounds like a better idea for an NPC villain than a PC.


The other players probably don't want to spend that long with their characters being driven to madness and self-destruction, or all their social encounters being ruined, or plans being sabotaged.

Grand Lodge

My advice on this character is...don't do it...if I was playing in a group and someone brought a character to the table like that I would either get up and leave, or punch them in the face.

As for the mechanical questions.

You still only have 2 identities...you just get a bonus to your disguise skill if you are using magical disguises.

No...ALL magic is obvious (Even a spell with Still and Silent metamagic on it) they cause lights and sounds, etc. You cannot cast spells stealthily without investing in feats to do so.

True seeing will shut down magical disguise...but not a mundane disguise. Other than that...no.

I actually have a Kitsune Mesmerist designed to basically do the same thing...just not evil, and not to party members...max Charisma, focus on debuff and save-or-suck spells, always use stares to debuff things before casting on them. Start with a 20 Cha, take Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment, get your DCs as high as possible, your level 3 bold stare pretty much has to be Psychic Inception so mindless enemies don't completely shut you down.

I wouldn't bother with the vigilante level...you will just slow down your already slow spell progression, and you can just roleplay different identities. Your disguise skill as a Charisma based Kitsune with Realistic Likeness should be high enough that nothing will ever see through it anyways, so Seamless Shapeshifter is kind of a waste. Grab a circlet of persuasion and sleeves of many garments and you can instantly change your clothes to match your form, and the circlet gives a +3 bonus to your bluff and disguise.

Lastly...don't be that guy...the one who plays the absolute d-bag character who is just out to f the party over...

Scarab Sages

I should have mentioned that this is fine by everyone at the table.

Let's the IRL stuff aside and just talk about the build please.

Thanks for the people that shared their thoughs.


So long as you will always strive to not derail the game or have your fun at the expense of other PC's will not help the game.

But if you do decide to go this way, don't be surprised if another PC just tries to gank you.


Shaheer-El-Khatib wrote:

Here are my concerns :

- I am not sure if I read correctly "Seemless Shapechanger". It says "The vigilante seamlessly adopts any persona he assumes with magic. The vigilante adds his seamless guise bonus to the bonus on Disguise checks that he gains to assume the shape of another creature with a polymorph spell or effect."
Does that means he have more than two identities if he can transform in several people ? Or is he still one of his two identities when adopting another persona ?

- Can you cast Psychic spells without anyone noticing it since there is no composant ? Does the victim knows that she was under a spell ? Does she knows who or where the caster is while being targeted ?

- At some point "True Seeing" will totaly waste the polymorphic disguise and the overall concept is doomed. Any idea to counter that and let the PC play after low levels ?

- I just have a global concept, how would you build it ? Since it will travel with the PC it still needs to be somewhat usefull in fight to not die miserably. I assume he would need to hide his psychic habilities from them and just pass for an under-average martial ?

- Would you dip more into Vigilante ? How so ?

Okay, in that case...

- It doesn't give other identities unless it specifies, so you're still in social or vigilante no matter who or what else you're disguised as with Seamless Shapechanger.

- They still have magical manifestations, grab Cunning Caster or Conceal Spell to hide those. I'd advise the latter for a mesmerist. Whether she knows she was under a spell, when not specified, is kinda a GM call afaik. She wouldn't know stuff about the caster unless the spell specified it, though.

- Use mundane disguises, or mind-controlled false doubles? This one's tricky.

- I don't know why you couldn't just be clear about what you were and only hide your intentions, really, but if it's a concern... concealing spells should work at least for many things, and Vexing Daredevil with Vital Strike would be my go-to for a partly-martial mesmerist.

- If I went with a Vigilante dip at all rather than using the... iirc it's Inner Sea Intrigue? rules for dual identities without the full class feature, I'd aim for two levels for a vigilante talent.

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