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Can always kill time talkin about gobos or alignment...


... or the math behind the new power attack.


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ChibiNyan wrote:
It's getting pretty late...

Remember that Paizo is on the west coast of the U.S. They just got back from lunch, most likely.


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Oh, lunch is a good idea. Forgetting to eat is a problem.


Any hints on what to expect for tomorrow?


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It really feels like they're still trying to nail down magic, since they've been especially cagey about it. So my guess is either a full martial class (Barbarian or Monk), or at most one of the hybrids (Paladin or Ranger).

I've always loved Paladins, so if it's not the Wizard (and I'm almost certain it won't be), I'm hoping for Paladin.

Silver Crusade

All I know is that Mark wrote it:

Mark Seifter wrote:
Bardic Dave wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
I am thinking/hoping that all (not both, since there's more nuance to this discussion than just two opinions) groups of people in this thread will enjoy Monday's blog.
Are you writing it, Mark?
I wrote it on Monday, so somewhat yes, somewhat no.


I personaly want magic item post to explain the resonance clearly but i am okay for wizard post to as long as they keep wizards resonance stat on charisma.


I thing Resonance might be the Monday blog, since contentious issues are reserved for Monday, and Resonance was name-dropped in the Alchemist blog so we have a natural segue in terms of "Resonance? What's that?"


Resonance seems a good bet. I don't think they're ready for the month long of hate that the paladin will inspire (and it will inspire it no matter what shape it takes, even a copy paste of PF1e Paladin will arouse it).


Resonance, or even multiclassing, would be greats topics to have IF they are willing to reveal some actual rulings about them. I think it could be too... technical, judging from what they have done so far in their preview blogs.

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I want the see the wizard or human blog.

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Lausth wrote:
I want the see the wizard or human blog.

Honestly I'm kinda tired of the ancestry blogs. Kinda hoping they bundle the Human, Half-Elf, and Half-Orc together in one big blog and get it over with.


Just an FWI, here's what we've had so far, broken down into categories:

General Blogs:
Pathfinder Playtest Features
First Look at the Pathfinder Playtest

Mechanics Blogs:
All About Actions
Leveling Up!
Are You Proficient?
Pathfinder a la Mode
Critical Hits and Critical Failures

Class Blogs:
Fighter Class Preview
Rogue Class Preview
Alchemist Class Preview

Ancestry Blogs:
Goblins! (duh...)
Big Beards and Pointy Ears (Elves & Dwarves)
Fuzzy Feet and Voles to Meet (Halflings & Gnomes)


Time to talk about the cleric? We've got a fighter, rogue, and pseudo-scientist... let's add some heals.


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Gregg Reece wrote:
Time to talk about the cleric? We've got a fighter, rogue, and pseudo-scientist... let's add some heals.

I think it was mentioned that they wanted to cover more about magic first. If we’re getting a class, I’m guessing one of the remaining non-casters.


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I am very interested to hear about the ranger. It is a pretty iconic class, and with the revised action economy, it will be interesting to see how the character most designed to exploit the previous action economy (with two weapon fighting and rapid shot) will handle it.


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The time draws nearer.
Mirage over falling sand.
Quench this wretched thirst.


QuidEst wrote:
Gregg Reece wrote:
Time to talk about the cleric? We've got a fighter, rogue, and pseudo-scientist... let's add some heals.
I think it was mentioned that they wanted to cover more about magic first. If we’re getting a class, I’m guessing one of the remaining non-casters.

We might be looking at Ranger or Paladin if they decided to drop the spells list from those. That would be a great controversial Monday post.


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I'm guessing Resonance. It was name dropped in last week's Alchemist thread, and there's been so much debate about it. Would help people have a better basis for framing discussion.

Ranger seems less likely to be contentious, even if they do remove spellcasting, so that's probably Friday fodder.

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The only reason I think Cleric might possibly come up is that hint at the Oracle in the Alchemist blog. But I still think they'll wait a while before doing any magic classes.


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Backgrounds would also be a good topic at this point and would fill out the B of the ABCs of character creation.


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Hoping we get another ancestry blog today, since I’m curious about both half-elf and human.

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I suspect Half-Elf and Half-Orc will be paired.
Human will probably get its own.
Or, all 3 in one blog.

I also wonder how long will they keep up the 2/week pace of blogs.
We'll get Resonance, Backgrounds, the remaining (9) classes. That would get us into June.

What other topics would there be?

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Monsters!

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Rysky wrote:
Monsters!

Right! *DUH* Ari.

Also Feats.

I'm beginning to think they planned this all out from the start!


Aristophanes wrote:

I suspect Half-Elf and Half-Orc will be paired.

Human will probably get its own.
Or, all 3 in one blog.

If they all have two floating bonuses, it would make sense.


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Aristophanes wrote:

I suspect Half-Elf and Half-Orc will be paired.

Human will probably get its own.
Or, all 3 in one blog.

I also wonder how long will they keep up the 2/week pace of blogs.
We'll get Resonance, Backgrounds, the remaining (9) classes. That would get us into June.

What other topics would there be?

Archetypes and multiclassing is/are probably the biggest thing(s) you didn’t mention.

They can start covering items for different categories, I imagine. How poisons work, magic weapons/armor, wondrous items, potions, elixirs, etc.

They might cover skills in more detail, taking a couple per post. We still don’t have the final skills list.

Monsters will come near the end, I imagine, since they have the monsters as PDF-only to give them extra time.

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Don't forget Prestige Classes.


They just talked about magic this Monday so it's probably the cleric, the least likely caster to be controversial. It was so bland in (core) PF1 that there is really nowhere to go but up.


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Fuzzypaws wrote:
They just talked about magic this Monday so it's probably the cleric, the least likely caster to be controversial. It was so bland in (core) PF1 that there is really nowhere to go but up.

I’m assuming Cleric is Monday content for people arguing about what it gets vs. what Fighter gets.


Fuzzypaws wrote:
They just talked about magic this Monday so it's probably the cleric, the least likely caster to be controversial. It was so bland in (core) PF1 that there is really nowhere to go but up.

Oh, there is PLENTY of room to go downhill. :D

Especially if they bring the cleric more in-line with the other classes. There are a lot of people who like their CoDzillas, and anything that messes with that, even while making them more flavorful, will cause some upset.

I really want to see what happens with Druids and Wildshape, myself, because I'm still not satisfied with the way that plays out via Beast Shape spell, the resulting mishmash is very difficult to keep coherent. I think D&D5 might have come a little closer to handling it gracefully with the system it uses, but I'm still waiting for the "eureka" game design moment on Druid wildshape that has everyone popping their foreheads and going "of course!"


Clerics were probably OP, but between Domains and the ability choose appropriate spells, I thought always found them quite flavourful in play.

That said, I somehow get the feeling it won't be a Class blog tonight. Maybe Resonance or Background?


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Crayon wrote:

Clerics were probably OP, but between Domains and the ability choose appropriate spells, I thought always found them quite flavourful in play.

That said, I somehow get the feeling it won't be a Class blog tonight. Maybe Resonance or Background?

I can all but promise you that resonance is not going to be a Friday blog.


Well if people think even the cleric is controversial, then they can do backgrounds, get the humankin out of the way... Or talk about something else, like combat maneuvers (trip etc), weapons and armor, or status conditions.

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Rysky wrote:
Don't forget Prestige Classes.

My guess, FWIW, is that prestige classes will likely be rolled into archetypes.

Joe M. wrote:
QuidEst wrote:
1of1 wrote:
Joe M. wrote:
Logan says:
Logan wrote:
It’s not that much like Starfinder and it’s not that much like first edition. It’s kind of one of the more experimental parts of the rules ... I will say we’ve taken a few different concepts that were kind of all pointing at the same type of character customization and kind of said, that’s all under the archetype umbrella. So we’re interested to see how people react to that, for sure.
This one, specifically, hurts my head like some sort of eldritch knowledge. It means too many things all at the same time for me understand it, and it means them pretty darn intensely. So uh, I'll guess I'll just have to wait until I have something more defined in front of me before I can give them any interesting reactions.

I'm guessing those things are:

Class archetypes.
Prestige classes.
Multiclassing/VMC.
Yeah, that's about what I figured. Can anyone think of anything else Logan might have been referring to?


I wouldnt mind if they rolled MT, shadow dancer, EK, etc into archetypes. Though I hope things like Red Mantis, lion blades, and Hellkinights remain prestige classes.


Planpanther wrote:
I wouldnt mind if they rolled MT, shadow dancer, EK, etc into archetypes. Though I hope things like Red Mantis, lion blades, and Hellkinights remain prestige classes.

Something they could do is implement a system where starting at 5th or 6th level, if you are affiliated with one or more factions, you can start taking faction "class abilities" on top of your actual class every few levels. If you aren't with a faction or don't like their abilities, you can take a general feat instead.

That would work very similar to a prestige class, while preventing the problems that come with multiclassing, and generally being pretty flexible. :)


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Fuzzypaws wrote:
Planpanther wrote:
I wouldnt mind if they rolled MT, shadow dancer, EK, etc into archetypes. Though I hope things like Red Mantis, lion blades, and Hellkinights remain prestige classes.

Something they could do is implement a system where starting at 5th or 6th level, if you are affiliated with one or more factions, you can start taking faction "class abilities" on top of your actual class every few levels. If you aren't with a faction or don't like their abilities, you can take a general feat instead.

That would work very similar to a prestige class, while preventing the problems that come with multiclassing, and generally being pretty flexible. :)

Seriously.....im so tired of the hate on multi-classing. I dont want something as unique and interesting as prestige classes to be reduced to a feat.


Fuzzypaws wrote:
They just talked about magic this Monday so it's probably the cleric, the least likely caster to be controversial. It was so bland in (core) PF1 that there is really nowhere to go but up.

I disagree.... in fact I would say the initial signs arent that great!

Paizo are hanging on to the cursed albatross that is channelling like their entire balance sheet depended on it... and quite bizarrely and despite plenty of head vs brick wall, it looks like core cleric will still be walking around with a mace, shield and chain shirt, doing the usual ineffectual and redundant gish impersonation!?!?


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doc roc wrote:
Fuzzypaws wrote:
They just talked about magic this Monday so it's probably the cleric, the least likely caster to be controversial. It was so bland in (core) PF1 that there is really nowhere to go but up.

I disagree.... in fact I would say the initial signs arent that great!

Paizo are hanging on to the cursed albatross that is channelling like their entire balance sheet depended on it... and quite bizarrely and despite plenty of head vs brick wall, it looks like core cleric will still be walking around with a mace, shield and chain shirt, doing the usual ineffectual and redundant gish impersonation!?!?

Well… yeah, the Cleric is going to be able to channel divine power. That's kind of their schtick. They're not going to be stuck with channeled healing, though. It seems like that's the healing domain's starting power.

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Have there been any hints as to the topic of the Monday blog? I haven't seen any.


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Joe M. wrote:
Have there been any hints as to the topic of the Monday blog? I haven't seen any.

Don't think so, no. Cleric and Wizard, the remaining half of the classic quartet, were waiting on more info about magic, though, so they seem likely.

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doc roc wrote:

I disagree.... in fact I would say the initial signs arent that great!

Paizo are hanging on to the cursed albatross that is channelling like their entire balance sheet depended on it... and quite bizarrely and despite plenty of head vs brick wall, it looks like core cleric will still be walking around with a mace, shield and chain shirt, doing the usual ineffectual and redundant gish impersonation!?!?

Uh...Channel Energy is gone. The Cleric may have some built in healing, but also may not (Kyra does, but she's always been a Healing Domain Cleric).

Scarab Sages

What's with the delayed blog? It's keeping me awake here.


Catharsis wrote:
What's with the delayed blog? It's keeping me awake here.

Well, the strategy is to release the controversial blogs on Monday so the mods can keep up with the vitriol on the forums - and post them at 4:59 PM because ?????

Silver Crusade

Blogs seem to be releasing around 4pm Pacific, especially when there's another blog on the same day, like today (my guess is this is intended to let the non-playtest blog have some space so it's not crowded out)


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QuidEst wrote:
doc roc wrote:
Fuzzypaws wrote:
They just talked about magic this Monday so it's probably the cleric, the least likely caster to be controversial. It was so bland in (core) PF1 that there is really nowhere to go but up.

I disagree.... in fact I would say the initial signs arent that great!

Paizo are hanging on to the cursed albatross that is channelling like their entire balance sheet depended on it... and quite bizarrely and despite plenty of head vs brick wall, it looks like core cleric will still be walking around with a mace, shield and chain shirt, doing the usual ineffectual and redundant gish impersonation!?!?

Well… yeah, the Cleric is going to be able to channel divine power. That's kind of their schtick. They're not going to be stuck with channeled healing, though. It seems like that's the healing domain's starting power.

Welp, I was wrong!

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