How would you build a multiclass gunslinger / ninja?


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The presence of the Scattergun Assassin ninja trick (which is on the SRD,but is third party) somewhat suggests that this is a combination that carries some synergies to it.

With or without the aforementioned trick,the intent would likely be to go for either Musket Master or Bolt Ace archetypes to create a character that uses the Smoke Bomb and Vanishing Trick ninja tricks to appear to move rapidly around the battlefield and make sneak attack shots against enemies while they engage the tougher party members in melee.

At any rate,I don't remember anything saying that firearms can't sneak attack.

Another possibility,I suppose,given the ninja's Charisma reliance,would be to go with Mysterious Stranger archetype instead,to reduce multiple attribute dependence.

With that said,those are just the possibilities I can think of. When you think about "gunslinger/ninja multiclass",what possibilities come to mind? In terms of things like archetypes/feats and the ninja tricks you would pick. As well as how many levels of gunslinger to gain before switching to ninja,or vice versa.


Just a note, there isn't much Sneak in sneak attack with a gunslinger. It's BOOM!! on the first attack. you will get that first sneak attack for surprise, but unless you are using some other method to get flat footed, don't depend on the gun. There is press to the wall, but you are getting up close to the enemy. The gunslinger wants to be away to reload.

So unless someone has an idea for a second sneak attack, I say you can only get one in.


Leave off the gunslinger part. -- How are you going to be stealthy if your weapon wakes up everything in a hundred yards?


There is an oil which makes gunfire silent if you're doing assassination. If you're in close combat and turning invisible at the end of each round the gunfire isn't much more noise than you're dealing with anyway.

I think mysterious stranger gunslinger 1 / ninja X is the logical way to way to do it. That gives you a ranged touch attack to add sneak attack dice to, and the extra base damage from going musket master isn't a great improvement IMO.


howdy. you certainly need these sneaky silent up your firearm! Much much easier than getting the oil over and over.

Outside of that. yeah there are quite a few overlaps yeah.
I'd probably go to 5 gunslinger and the rest Ninja or something ninja like. I wouldn't get a two handed firearm myself either.

I'd also consider this buckler this way you can relatively speaking, gun in CQC which is something a Ninja should do. and with a flank friend (in adition to maybe improved unarmed or armour spikes) allow you to properly flank and get sneak attack with "GunFu" style.

lastly, something I think is beneficial in flavor and in mechancis is shadow shooting with this you won't have CQC reload provoking issues. One issue though, is that it might reduce your sneak attack to minimum.. I read it as minimum weapon damage. Because sneak attack is not weapon damage, it is just the same damage type. I think? But your milage may vary. So it may or may not be useful for you. This is more useful when you have lv 5 gunslinger,deadly aim and such. but visually it is quite.. "ninja" like.

If you don't like Shadow Shooting you could and should also consider a Dragoon Pistol. and maybe efficient bandolier (but I don't remember if this is a chest slot (like it should be) or if tis a belt. probably belt.). If its a belt slot and you aren't playing PFS then I would suggest you take the money hit and combine it with a Physical Belt; if you want to save the reload feat.

uhm... there are also some newer and cool alchemical ammo as well as some magic stuff like "mage shot" that would simulate some fantasy ninja tricks.

might not be exactly what you want.. considering a lot of this is based out of my long running gun-alchemist (now a gun chemist) with his explosive bullets thing.

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Here is an outside the normal though, uh, thought.
Look up the phantom blade spiritualist class. It is worded (and by the creator's commentary) that it actully allows for any weapon you are proficient with. So take Gunslinger first. Then take spiritualist for the rest. Thi would allow you to make a Phantom Gun. Very ninja like. There are other effects as well in the spiritualist class and spell list that would benefit and also be somewhat Ninja like. You can flavor a lot into the correct vein of thought.

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Zwordsman wrote:

howdy. you certainly need these sneaky silent up your firearm! Much much easier than getting the oil over and over.

Outside of that. yeah there are quite a few overlaps yeah.
I'd probably go to 5 gunslinger and the rest Ninja or something ninja like. I wouldn't get a two handed firearm myself either.

I'd also consider this buckler this way you can relatively speaking, gun in CQC which is something a Ninja should do. and with a flank friend (in adition to maybe improved unarmed or armour spikes) allow you to properly flank and get sneak attack with "GunFu" style.

lastly, something I think is beneficial in flavor and in mechancis is shadow shooting with this you won't have CQC reload provoking issues. One issue though, is that it might reduce your sneak attack to minimum.. I read it as minimum weapon damage. Because sneak attack is not weapon damage, it is just the same damage type. I think? But your milage may vary. So it may or may not be useful for you. This is more useful when you have lv 5 gunslinger,deadly aim and such. but visually it is quite.. "ninja" like.

If you don't like Shadow Shooting you could and should also consider a Dragoon Pistol. and maybe efficient bandolier (but I don't remember if this is a chest slot (like it should be) or if tis a belt. probably belt.). If its a belt slot and you aren't playing PFS then I would suggest you take the money hit and combine it with a Physical Belt; if you want to save the reload feat.

uhm... there are also some newer and cool alchemical ammo as well as some magic stuff like "mage shot" that would simulate some fantasy ninja tricks.

might not be exactly what you want.. considering a lot of this is based out of my long...

Thanks for your explanation! I'll definitely keep the spiritualist archetype in mind,that sounds like I could work it into something similar to what I want.


Goodluck. I'm curious what you'll end up with.

The upside of the spiritualist is that they could probably craft mageshots if you were so inclined. which would make them far more affordable.

My Alchemist is pretty close to a ninja.
Though I do really wish I could switch out Extracts for something else.


Oh. and another note..
If you dont' do spiritualist and you end up with like.. gunslinger 5 into something..

Shadowdancer with the VMC into something that gives sneak attack isn't bad. you can do some fun with the dimensional leap attacks, the buckler, a autoloading pistol and sneak attack


avr wrote:
There is an oil which makes gunfire silent if you're doing assassination.

And it does not do one thing to cover up the muzzle flash (you can forget about night work), or the billowing, sulfurous gunsmoke-cloud you generate.

(Yeah, I know there's ways to deal with all of it, but what a PITA.)

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