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I recently heard a lot, if not all, of the Third Party Companies that worked with Paizo have pulled away from the company because Paizo told them about PF2 at the same time they told everyone else. It was a complete surprise to people producing products for a system that, quite suddenly, wouldn't have it's own company behind it in a very short amount of time.
Is this true? Does it sound like something that could be true? Bear in mind there is history of something similar happening in the past... when WotC made 4th edition and Paizo made Pathfinder.
Just posting this for the discussion and possibly confirmation(one way or the other).
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I recently heard a lot, if not all, of the Third Party Companies that worked with Paizo have pulled away from the company because Paizo told them about PF2 at the same time they told everyone else. It was a complete surprise to people producing products for a system that, quite suddenly, wouldn't have it's own company behind it in a very short amount of time.
Is this true? Does it sound like something that could be true? Bear in mind there is history of something similar happening in the past... when WotC made 4th edition and Paizo made Pathfinder.
Just posting this for the discussion and possibly confirmation(one way or the other).
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I recently heard a lot, if not all, of the Third Party Companies that worked with Paizo have pulled away from the company because Paizo told them about PF2 at the same time they told everyone else. It was a complete surprise to people producing products for a system that, quite suddenly, wouldn't have it's own company behind it in a very short amount of time.
I haven't pulled away from Paizo because of the announcement. I've been pulling away because my Pathfinder sales have been down. Mind you, they've been down since I did the Big Book of Everything last year. I saw the end coming and decided to do a big sale. It worked out for us. I had my best year yet because of that sale, finally having a better year than when I released the Book of the River Nations.
I have no hard feelings about how the announcement went down. Heck, we have 15 months and IIRC Paizo said they aren't pulling the License so I can produce adventures until the new edition drops and beyond if I want to.
Will JBE be supporting the new edition? I don't know. We've got a number of ideas on the board. Some are new titles for launch day. Some are limiting our support or moving on. Right now everything is up in the air. We won't be making any decisions until we see the rules and give them a play and see the final license. Having said that I'm not concerned about the license. Paizo believes in open gaming and we don't see that changing anytime soon.
In the meantime, we just released a new adventure and have another one scheduled for later this year. We hope that they are right for your game.
EDIT: I just realized I never actually answered your question. Yes, we all found out the same time as everyone else.
EDIT2: I imagine Rogue Genius Games had a little advanced notice. ;)
Why ask the forums, then? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to just send the publishers an email instead of engaging in scuttlebutt?
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No citation, no joke. It's literally something I heard. I just wanted to find out what others thought and if it was even real. Nothing more.
You could always cite the person you heard it from.
However, I highly doubt it. 3PP make a great deal of money off of supporting Paizo products. They would literally be shooting themselves in the foot if they all stopped supporting their most popular system. It is not in their business interests.
Sounds like nothing more than rumor-mongering.
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3PP make a great deal of money off of supporting Paizo products.
Not as much as you'd think. I have a day job.
No citation, no joke. It's literally something I heard. I just wanted to find out what others thought and if it was even real. Nothing more.
I think PF2 was a closely held secret.
I’ve been told PF sales have declined over the last couple of years for some companies but not others.
I haven’t heard any 3PP say they’ve pulled away from Paizo due to this announcement.
Some 3PPs have told me they’ve been reducing their focus on PF and switching to other systems but they haven’t described it (to me) as pulling away from Paizo. Rather as pulling away from PF1 support.
I have it from trusted sources that the 3pp-Paizo break up has nothing to do with announcement.
They just didn't like how Power Attack works.
Although burning all their P1E material and announcing an official industry Occult Hate Day seems like over-reaction to me.
The latter is just a rumor though. Not officially confirmed yet.
I've heard Necromancer Games will buy Paizo once PF2 bankrupts the company due to Paizo's inability to finally address caster-martial disparity. I've even seen the draft documents. It's all ready. You can trust me.
Can't trust other cloth storage devices. Their hollow on the inside and They literally have no back-bone. Good sense of humor maybe but no back bone.
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You know, I kinda love Paizo as a company, and I kinda love their setting and plot design work... but it would give me the biggest schadenboner of all time if PF2 were too much of a radical departure from PF1 and Paizo dragged their feet on the licensing...
... so someone like Necromancer or Dreamscarred pathfindered them.
Live by the OGL, die by the OGL.
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There's an almost exactly identical post on Enworld where somebody wished Paizo will go bankrupt because of their "silly" decision not to support 4E and that some serious publisher like Necromancer will buy out Paizo IP.
The irony is double, because Necromancer Games is no more (Frog God took over their catalogue, but Clark's gaming business is over).
Ok hes accurate on this one^^
What?
Oh good it wasn't just me.
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Oh wait, the 'dire fate' thing was ironic.
like rain on your wedding day
I'll just continue to use this alias I think.
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FGG said they were pulling support for PF going forward - PF 2 would be 'evaluated' and at least one product was cancelled prior to announcement.
These are all statements validated via video interviews and published statements from the company taken over Gary Con. They also are fire-saling the existing PF1.0 books and sold them at the con 'by the pound' (a 165 dollar book sold for 15 dollars for instance).
Fantasy Grounds supposedly knew at least a week prior - although I can't find where this information came from. So there is a perception out there that some companies got special treatment or foreknowledge.
So it's not just a rumor. Although it is my humble opinion that FGG was already done with Pathfinder after the 'paizocon' incident - the shift in attitude and timing of events was all to suspect for me - so I think this might just have been the excuse needed. Sad though as I love their stuff.
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So it's not just a rumor.
Actually, the OP's mention of "a lot, if not all" 3rd party support being pulled is absolutely nothing more than a rumor mentioned by one of his gaming buddies.
One 3rd party pulling back support does not prove this in anyways, especially with it being FGG where there are reasons they might be pulling back other than PF2 as you even mentioned.
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The few publishers I talk to are planning on supporting PF2 if there is a market there. Because nobody knows how popular PF2 is going to be until we get more information from the playtest no one is going to commit this early. It isn't smart to jump in at this point because we simply don't know enough about the system.
Are people cautiously optimistic? Yes. Are they going to change their plans for future products? They can't do that until they know it would be smart to do so.
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So it's not just a rumor.Actually, the OP's mention of "a lot, if not all" 3rd party support being pulled is absolutely nothing more than a rumor mentioned by one of his gaming buddies.
One 3rd party pulling back support does not prove this in anyways, especially with it being FGG where there are reasons they might be pulling back other than PF2 as you even mentioned.
Oh sure - I just happen to know where at least part of it came from - and as it's in 'publicly available' posts and videos I'm not betraying any trusts or anything by saying what I've seen. I mean in this case I think it's more helpful to know where this type of thing is coming from specifically because there seems to be a bit of bad blood between the companies prior to the announcement.