Spell Storing enchantment

[Atalius]

If I have Spell Storing armor enchantment, can my ally or myself read a scroll of stricken heart and infuse it into my armor?

[Atalius]

Oh blahpers my friend, no need to be concerned, there are no Tylosaurus' around here. Feel free to reply.

[Magicdealer]

Technically, but it would not be a good choice I think. "Anytime a creature hits the wearer with a melee attack or melee touch attack, the armor can cast the spell on that creature"

Stricken heart doesn't actually do damage. It gives you a touch attack that deals damage. So you would be giving whatever enemy hits you a melee touch attack they could use to damage you with.

[Atalius]

Indeed my friend, the point of the spell isn't to do damage, I'm hoping it will stop a pouncing tiger or a dragon from full attacking and one rounding my squishee a$$.

[Cevah]

Magicdealer wrote:

Technically, but it would not be a good choice I think. "Anytime a creature hits the wearer with a melee attack or melee touch attack, the armor can cast the spell on that creature"

Stricken heart doesn't actually do damage. It gives you a touch attack that deals damage. So you would be giving whatever enemy hits you a melee touch attack they could use to damage you with.

Bold part wrong. Spell Storing armor casts the spell with the target being what attacked you.

The Stricken Heart target receives the effect of the spell, not receives the spell's touch attack.

Net result: 2d6 negative levels, and staggered for one round minimum. [Not staggered if immune to precision damage.]

/cevah

[Pizza Lord]

I'm sorry, I believe... allegedly... blahpers was doing some research into your question... to help you out, yet again... and was staggered by a striken heart spell. It may be some time before he's available.

In answer to your question, yes, you could cast the spell from a scroll into the spell storing armor.

[Azothath]

Atalius wrote:

If I have Spell Storing armor enchantment, can my ally or myself read a scroll of stricken heart and infuse it into my armor?

Spell Storing Armor 'allows a spellcaster to store a single touch spell of up to 3rd level in it'. No other restriction. If your character is not a spellcaster you must have someone else do it for you.

While the write up on Spell Storing Armor isn't exactingly clear, the target of the touch spell is the person that struck you. Thus a stored Ghoul Touch attempts to affect the person that struck you, not give them the Ghoul Touch spell on their hand.

Stricken Heart (ACG) School necromancy [death]; Level arcanist 2, inquisitor 2, mesmerist 2, psychic 2, shaman 3, sorcerer/wizard 2, spiritualist 2, witch 2 is a touch spell. It is stored in the armor not infused, so not the keyword you used.
From the spell, "This spell covers your hand with a writhing black aura. As part of casting the spell, you can make a melee touch attack that deals 2d6 points of negative energy damage and causes the target to be staggered for 1 round. If the attack is a critical hit, the target is staggered for 1 minute instead. Creatures immune to precision damage are immune to the staggered effect."
Thus when you are struck(by melee attack or melee touch attack) you may do 2d6[neg] damage to the attacker and stagger them for 1 round (if not immune to precision damage) and the spell is discharged (no longer stored in the armor). As you are not rolling to hit you cannot get a critical. The attack is an automatic reactive thing.

[zza ni]

if this spell give the one touched a special touch attack and you use this on an enemy with natural attacks he can keep on using his atacks AND deliver the spell's touch attack to you with one of them. so why wuld you do that to urself?

[Xenocrat]

Cevah wrote:

Magicdealer wrote:

Technically, but it would not be a good choice I think. "Anytime a creature hits the wearer with a melee attack or melee touch attack, the armor can cast the spell on that creature"

Stricken heart doesn't actually do damage. It gives you a touch attack that deals damage. So you would be giving whatever enemy hits you a melee touch attack they could use to damage you with.

Bold part wrong. Spell Storing armor casts the spell with the target being what attacked you.

The Stricken Heart target receives the effect of the spell, not receives the spell's touch attack.

Net result: 2d6 negative levels, and staggered for one round minimum. [Not staggered if immune to precision damage.]

/cevah

Um.

[blahpers]

2d6 damage, 2d6 negative levels, po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to, . . .

[Gisher]

zza ni wrote:

if this spell give the one touched a special touch attack and you use this on an enemy with natural attacks he can keep on using his atacks AND deliver the spell's touch attack to you with one of them. so why wuld you do that to urself?

Spell Storing armor doesn't grant a spell to your attacker.

[Cevah]

blahpers wrote:

2d6 damage, 2d6 negative levels, po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to, . . .

I wasn't referring to the kind of damage, but the direction. I.e. who is hurting whom. That is far different than po-TAY-to vs, po-TAH-to.

/cevah

[Niemand]

Mashed potatoes vs Undead spud...

[Atalius]

What if its a persistent spell (bestow curse for example) stored in the armor is that allowed?

[Pizza Lord]

Atalius wrote:

What if its a persistent spell (bestow curse for example) stored in the armor is that allowed?

Yes. The target would have to save twice against the effect. Assuming you aren't using the Sor/Wiz version, which is 4th-level and above the 3rd-level restriction for spell storing armor (which I believe you aren't, since you're mostly asking witch questions.)

[Atalius]

Pizza Lord wrote:

Atalius wrote:

What if its a persistent spell (bestow curse for example) stored in the armor is that allowed?

Yes. The target would have to save twice against the effect. Assuming you aren't using the Sor/Wiz version, which is 4th-level and above the 3rd-level restriction for spell storing armor (which I believe you aren't, since you're mostly asking witch questions.)

But Mr. Pizza Lord the total modified level of the spell would be level 5 with Persistent Spell is that still ok?

[Pizza Lord]

Metamagic Feats wrote:

Effects of Metamagic Feats on a Spell: In all ways, a metamagic spell operates at its original spell level, even though it is prepared and cast using a higher-level spell slot

This FAQ talks about the detrimental part, discussing the casting and preparing penalties.

That FAQ explains that the spell is treated as higher level for purposes of being prepared, being cast, or concentration checks needed to cast it. Ie. if you cast your persistent bestow curse, which took your 5th-level slot, you're going to need a 5rd-level pearl of power to put it back.

For any other purposes, despite requiring 5th-level spell slot, it is still a 3rd-level spell. That means that it will be suppressed by a globe of invulnerability, its save DC will be that of a 3rd-level spell, it would be as easy to identify as a 3rd-level spell, it's difficulty in deciphering a scroll of it would be the same, etc.

Only if you use the Heighten Spell metamagic will you actually increase a spell's spell level for effects other than preparing and casting. If you were to place a metamagicked spell of below 4th level into a wand and metamagic it up higher, it would still count as a 4th-level spell, you would have to set the caster level high enough to cast the spell though (which would increase the cost). You probably would have to pay for the cost of the modified spell level as well (though I am less certain on this part). 375 gp × the level of the spell × the level of the caster, typically.

[Atalius]

thank you!