Haan Player Character


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I have a Haan as a character. Does my character have a fly speed?


The racial traits for a PC Haan character do not include a fly speed. Your character does not have a fly speed by virtue of race.


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I think it would be fine to give them a fly speed when on a planet similar to their homeworld. They can fly not because of wings or any real innate ability, but because they can make web balloons that float in their specific kind of atmosphere--something that will be lacking for most adventuring Haan.

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I hear that Haan solo well.

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Ravingdork wrote:
I think it would be fine to give them a fly speed when on a planet similar to their homeworld. They can fly not because of wings or any real innate ability, but because they can make web balloons that float in their specific kind of atmosphere--something that will be lacking for most adventuring Haan.

Wouldn't that be written as a special ability instead? The sarcesian gains a fly speed when in a vacuum, but this isn't written in the stat block.

In fact, the speed stat isn't written in almost every race entry, except when there are special rules, such as the dragonkin's limited flight (until level 5) and the kalo's slow speed and fast swim speed. The formian, on the other hand, doesn't have its Burrow speed, or its 40 ft. land speed.

From my understanding, if an alien has a speed, but with no restriction, then the race equivalent has that speed as well, unless it's specifically written.


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Seems I must be misremembering. Reading it now, I can't find any such mention of specialized atmospheres allowing flight.

I was also operating under the assumption that a land speed was listed, but a flight speed was not. That does not appear to be the case either.


Ravingdork wrote:

Seems I must be misremembering. Reading it now, I can't find any such mention of specialized atmospheres allowing flight.

I was also operating under the assumption that a land speed was listed, but a flight speed was not. That does not appear to be the case either.

Yep, no speed is listed unless there's something specific about it, or them.

Like I stated, the formian doesn't have its burrow speed, just like the haan doesn't have its fly speed, but neither of these has a restriction or specific rule.

Then again, how does a haan inflate his web balloons if he's wearing something that covers its tube-like organs? At best, they could have stated that special modifications are required for a haan's wearable armor or else his fly speed is negated completely.


Armor would pretty much always have to be modified to account for racial biology. Someone with four arms shouldn't be able to wear the same armor as a human, for instance. This is inherent and assumed in the system, armor just doesn't cost extra for unusual races in Starfinder the way it did in Pathfinder. So a haan wouldn't be able to wear human armor off the shelf in a dungeon at all, but armor can apparently be modified to different forms with trivial effort, at which point he could use it and it wouldn't affect his balloon ability.

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So does the borg mind say Yes to a fly speed?


PC Haan cannot fly, the web balloons only come into play with their slow fall ability.

EDIT: Slow Fall: Reaction, extraordinary ability, and functions as Flight (spell cast at 1st level).


If they have a fly speed, you have a real problem. We know from Contemplatives that a PC stat block's fly speed can be a worse maneuverability than the NPC block, and from Barathu, that it can be the same. If you conclude that Haan PCs have a fly speed, you must issue them a maneuverability, and we can't decide that from precedent or any explicit rule in the book. Plus, we know from Dragonkin that you can't just assume the magnitude of the speed, either, because PC Dragonkin fly at 1/4th the speed of an NPC.

I think the only possible conclusion for now has to be "no", barring you coming up with some mechanism for determining the magnitude and maneuverability of the fly speed in question.

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