Sources for Kyonin


Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion

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Good morning all! I am looking to begin working on a sandbox campaign that will kick off in Greengold. Eventually the non-elves in the campaign will earn diplomat status and get a rare glimpse into the halls of Iadara, and eventually, help deal with some large scale events impacting the Elves. My question is: where can I find world information for Kyonin? I know I can always create things myself- and in fact I'm looking forward to doing that. But I'd like to try to find all the info I can before I start. The rich lore and canon of Golarion is part of why I enjoy the setting so much. So, here's what I've found so far:

Elves of Golarion (I know this is old, but seems like the jumping off point)
Inner Sea World Guide
Queen of Thorns (Pathfinder Tales, David Gross)
Memory of Darkness (Second Darkness AP)
Inner Sea Races

Anything else you might recommend for a GM wanting to dive into Kyonin and Elven lore in general on Golarion?

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Oakdown wrote:
Anything else you might recommend for a GM wanting to dive into Kyonin and Elven lore in general on Golarion?

My usual methodology is to go to the wiki, scroll down to the footnotes, and see what sources the curators have cited. Your list seems to include most of those, but is missing:

Campaign Setting
Descent into Midnight
Inner Sea Poster Map Folio
Guide to the River Kingdoms, and
Seekers of Secrets: A Guide to the Pathfinder Society

Then again, the wiki page looks outdated. It doesn't include one of the Mechalas-Guillotte map insets, for one thing.


Unfortunately, there isn't a whole lot of information on Kyonin specifically these days, and the old stuff is contradictory in a lot of ways due to being so early in the setting's lifespan. And in Second Darkness every single elf was either useless or an a#$&*+% (or both), and it seemed like they were all CN rather than CG.

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I would love love love to get a Kyonin sourcebook out there some day...


James Jacobs wrote:
I would love love love to get a Kyonin sourcebook out there some day...

chop chop, get on it for the first book of 2e after the importants stuff like the crb 2e


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Then again, the wiki page looks outdated. It doesn't include one of the Mechalas-Guillotte map insets, for one thing.

On the wiki, those maps are only used for settlements and places of interest (like ruins, etc) , not for entire countries.

There are also two pages on the half-elven town of Erages in Bastards of Golarion.

Liberty's Edge

My main thought is to try to gather as much canon as possible (thus Inner Sea World Guide v. Campaign Setting, or my reluctance at relying too much on Elves of Golarion)... from there I'll officially branch out and home brew. But I'm fascinated by the Elves trying to reclaim their abandoned settlements, contemplating what dark forces would be conspiring against all of Elvenkind- some classic tropes like Orcs and Drow- but I figure the real mastermind has something to do with the Abyss. Specifically, I think the Aiudara provide a really cool way for the players in this campaign to see the world, and at the same time gives them a treasured secret they will be charged with protecting. I appreciate the help everyone!

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:
I would love love love to get a Kyonin sourcebook out there some day...

Obviously I'd be a big fan of that! From Erages, Omesta and Greengold to Iadara and a bunch of untold stories in between, to the Tanglebriar, and what REALLY happened with Treerazer... seems like a lot of fun juicy bits to dive into, and a great way to make the Elves unique to Paizo.

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