Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Omaha
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We have nearly 70 weeks of play left before second edition. Playing only every other week, that is still enough time to get a character from 0 XP to Seeker level before the switch.
I would think that con support, both large and small, will continue for at least another year after official release of 2.0.
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I would think that con support, both large and small, will continue for at least another year after official release of 2.0.
I'm pretty sure that will vary greatly from place to place.
Some areas, especially small lodges, will reject PF2 and some will embrace it and ignore PF1. And some (especially larger ones) will run both.
But with up to 5 different campaigns running simultaneously (PF1, Core, SFS, ACG and PF2) its a pretty sure bet that only the largest lodges will be supportng all the alternatives in any real manner.
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We have nearly 70 weeks of play left before second edition. Playing only every other week, that is still enough time to get a character from 0 XP to Seeker level before the switch.
Again... OK, come travel to where I live and baby sit all Saturday twice a month so I can do that. Oh, and work my job, and run my errands, and do the tasks around my house that need done.
I've got to stop reading these threads as all the people with so much free time to play are making me very jealous, and all the people who've had five years to play telling me to just be cool and be happy about starting over are making me feel very uncool.
It's like people don't realize that not everyone lives like them.
If the end of PFS1e does not affect you, then please stop telling me how to feel about its effects on me*.
I know many comments are directed at a generic you, but I'm a member of the generic you.
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We have nearly 70 weeks of play left before second edition. Playing only every other week, that is still enough time to get a character from 0 XP to Seeker level before the switch.Again... OK, come travel to where I live and baby sit all Saturday twice a month so I can do that. Oh, and work my job, and run my errands, and do the tasks around my house that need done.
I've got to stop reading these threads as all the people with so much free time to play are making me very jealous, and all the people who've had five years to play telling me to just be cool and be happy about starting over are making me feel very uncool.
It's like people don't realize that not everyone lives like them.
If the end of PFS1e does not affect you, then please stop telling me how to feel about its effects on me*.
I know many comments are directed at a generic you, but I'm a member of the generic you.
Ok, I will try a different tack then...
No system can make everyone happy all the time. Everyone is going to have to make some sacrifices with the transition to PFS2.
If your personal situation makes it difficult for you to fully realize your character hopes and dreams over the next 16 months, then that is something that the system should not bend over to accommodate, as accommodating every corner case is not going to be possible.
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No system can make everyone happy all the time. Everyone is going to have to make some sacrifices with the transition to PFS2.
If your personal situation makes it difficult for you to fully realize your character hopes and dreams over the next 16 months, then that is something that the system should not bend over to accommodate, as accommodating every corner case is not going to be possible.
No, I do not expect it to nor should the system bend over backwards to accommodate my very real and not corner case at all situation.
However, people who risk nothing trying to be encouraging by shouting "play more" as the solution are inadvertently creating the opposite effect: discouragement.
And worse, people such as yourself shouting that no these people's situation should not even be considered.
I, personally, agree that porting a character over would be problematic.
Unfortunately,this thread has transitioned from that request to a place where some people seem to like to come and say, "STFU and deal," rather than contributing ideas to how there might be a way to make any kind of small concession to those of us who feel sad by our situation.
I don't need more people telling me "STFU and deal." I accept that as the baseline situation.
EDIT: Removed a significantly context changing 'not' that I typoed. And some other less important typos.
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We have well over a year to find whatever satisfaction suits us. I'm struggling to come up with a hypothetical situation where that is not enough time for some form of reasonable resolution.
Like, what are your goals and your parameters?
Are you asking me, personally?
I had several goals, but I'll just confess the most basic one:
I finally had a few characters I liked enough to consider taking all the way to Eyes of the Ten.
The highest level one is 3rd level. I can play one scenario per month (optimistically, our tables don't always make), one local Con (I just GMed SFS for that one), and GenCon (I'm GMing 6 slots and need 8 hours of sleep).
So at 6 XP, I had 27 more scenarios (of the appropriate tiers) to play to be eligible.
My lodge will convert to PFS2 when PF2 drops.
I also wanted to be able to play SFS as time permitted.
So, if I devote all of my available play time to that one single character in PFS, am lucky enough to have all the right tiers offered on the days that I can play, the tables make each time, don't sweat party composition, scrap my GenCon Catfolk, my auction race boon, forget all the other character concepts I was working on, and don't play any other game system, I can earn maybe 20-22 XP by the time my venue stops offering PFS1. Maybe all the way to 27 XP if I don't GM in GenCon 2019.
The first person to say, "That's totally doable," must play exactly like that: take a character with 6 XP, play only once a month (and play nothing of any gaming system on the side) plus 3 scenarios at GenCon 2018, and then play whatever more is necessary through ticketed games only at GenCon 2019. If you can show me your completed Eyes of the Ten chronicle on the day after GenCon, I'll eat my crow.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot. Don't die more than once before paying off the Debt to the Society boon that I happen to have.
Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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@Blake's Tiger: that sounds difficult. It seems like there are a lot of tough constraints you have to work with. I don't know how your lodge is run, but maybe you should sit down with the VO running it and describe your concerns.
When I'm working out schedules for my own lodge I try to set them up so that most people can get the special things they want. But first I have to know what they want.
You say that your lodge will drop PF1 as if there's no negotiation possible. That sounds a bit drastic to me, are you sure it's as stark as that? Most organizers would be happy to tap into a back catalog of stuff people can still play, especially if the other players quickly consume all the new PF2 stuff and are then waiting for new scenarios to come out.
Talk to your VOs, maybe they can help.
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We have well over a year to find whatever satisfaction suits us. I'm struggling to come up with a hypothetical situation where that is not enough time for some form of reasonable resolution.
Uh, I disagree. I think it is next to impossible that in the NOT hypothetical situation that we currently have it is next to impossible that we will come up with a resolution on all the issues that almost all of the players think to be "reasonable". Some of the problems are pretty much unsolvable. There are good reasons for a clean slate, there are good reasons for things to carry over.
I'd be amazed if the change doesn't cause significant numbers of PFS players to quit. Some rage quitting at some particular point, some quietly drifting away as they find PFS to be less fun than alternatives.
I'd be amazed if Tonya et. al. would disagree with the above. They'll probably never publicly admit it but I'm pretty sure that they know this will cost some GMs and some players.
But that is fine. Hopefully PF2 will draw in lots of new players, hopefully it will revitalize the game. PFS2 will hopefully stabilize as larger and more popular than before. Some old faces gone, lots of new faces.
But the transition is going to be at least somewhat messy. No way around it.
People don't like change. Often for very good reasons. If you're happy with the current situation then its quite likely that the bad will outweigh the good for you. And change for changes sake very often IS a bad idea. But still happens a lot at transitions like this.
Speaking only for myself, I'm optimistic that the good will outweigh the bad. But I'm absolutely certain that I'll think that some of the changes are both bad and unreasonable.
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To try to redirect the conversation away from "I have too little time left with my beloved characters" and back to the issue of the thread topic:
I don't see porting over a character whole cloth or even deconstructing them into a character of the same level as viable.
The issues of conversion, which are real and significant, aside. There's no way to make sure those who can are not playing the character in both PFS1 and PFS2 campaigns (those who have that luxury).
However, we have accumulated special boons (not chronicle boons) through various means, be it GMing or random giveaways or auctions. These things would be nice to transfer in some way.
One option is trade in a race boon for early access to a race that they know is coming down the pipe (or released and not open access in the core rule book).
Another option is to trade them in for 1 XP on one character each.
Another option yet is to trade them in for some other kind of permanent but non-egregious advantage granting benefit (like a Hunting Lodge vanity).
And there must surely be dozens more ideas that I haven't thought of.
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To try to redirect the conversation away from "I have too little time left with my beloved characters" and back to the issue of the thread topic:
I don't see porting over a character whole cloth or even deconstructing them into a character of the same level as viable.
The issues of conversion, which are real and significant, aside. There's no way to make sure those who can are not playing the character in both PFS1 and PFS2 campaigns (those who have that luxury).
However, we have accumulated special boons (not chronicle boons) through various means, be it GMing or random giveaways or auctions. These things would be nice to transfer in some way.
One option is trade in a race boon for early access to a race that they know is coming down the pipe (or released and not open access in the core rule book).
Another option is to trade them in for 1 XP on one character each.
Another option yet is to trade them in for some other kind of permanent but non-egregious advantage granting benefit (like a Hunting Lodge vanity).
And there must surely be dozens more ideas that I haven't thought of.
The idea of trading in race boons for other race boons is a pretty good one actually! I'd like that very much!
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@Blake's Tiger It is my hope to continue playing PFS1 until I run completely out of material, and I have a lot of material left so that's likely going to take a while. I have no idea if my local community of players will shift entirely to PFS2 or if I'll occasionally get to play scenarios from PFS1 at game days after the switch. I do suspect(and hope) that convention support for PFS1 will be better than you think for at least a year maybe 2. Also worth mentioning is that the afternoon slots at PaizoCon are set up as open gaming. As long as there are members of the community who enjoy PFS1 you should be able to find a table in those afternoon slots. I hope you get the chance to get those characters you enjoy to seeker level and play Eyes of the Ten. I suggest you take Lau's advice talk to your local VO's about your desire to keep some PFS1 on the schedule and play what you can, and if you happen to get to 33xp whether its this year, next, or whenever down the road I'll happily either GM Eyes or burn stars/expanded narratives to help fill the table. Its totally worth playing again.
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I'm worried that not being able to move our characters over with their progress really only hurts people who don't get to play in person too often. With my job and school I only get to play a few times a year except in play by post which also comes and goes with how active I can be. I'm worried that there will be a time after 2019 that I'll want to play my current characters and not be able to find games or people to play with:(
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My recommendation:
-no transfer or conversion of 1E PC to 2E PC
-grant a boon for each GM star accrued at the time of 2E's release
-grant players a faction-specific boon for each 1E character played by the time of 2E's release based on the total online-reported faction points for each character (i.e. prestige 40+ characters mean you get one boon for that faction which can be applied to a new 2E character)
This:
-won't mess up the ongoing 1E PFS games, which will continue after 2E as per Playtest FAQ;
-it will encourage GMs to keep GMing, with the knowledge they got something a tad cooler as a PC for all their 1E efforts and support for the game we all love; and
-it will provide some cool 2E faction benefit for the players
