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How does Parker Posey manage to even bite into a potato chip with villainous intent? She's amazing.

I'm looking forward to seeing everyone again. I do hope the writing is better; as mentioned a long time ago upthread, the string-of-coincidences and smart-characters-doing-dumb-things-because-the-writers-don't-know-how-to-pl ot got really bad as the show went on. I'm concerned from the trailer that there is also going to be way too much Will; he was fine in the first season for the most part, but he needs to be measured out in proper doses.

But as sheer scenery eye candy and watching some good acting goes, I look forward to it.


I dunno how she does it, but I'm totally down for it.

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I really enjoyed the character development of the adults of the series. I found the children to be a little uneven, but teens are always difficult to portray in film.

I especially enjoyed the fact they used a lot of adult themes that are still appropriate for younger viewers. It's refreshing to see that folks have not forgotten that you can have a compelling drama without excessive violence, language, and gratuitous nudity. Not that I mind those things, but I don't need them in everything.

I do enjoy the indirect threats that face the expedition, though always being in dire peril and rescued at the last second is way over used so far. Though, it is nice to see a series that isn't so grim dark as has been the trend for Sci-Fi for sometime now.


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Season 2 is up!!!!

Loved season one even if they liked their weekly crisis a bit too much.

I can't wait to see what's in store for season 2!


I watched the first episode, they're obviously committed to the life is a crisis formula, which is fine.

Parker Posey, as always, is a national treasure.

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Yeap, good ol Dr. Smith mixing it up, though its gotten very predictable. Im pretty excited to find out what the waterfall basin is!

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I finished the season last night. While I still enjoyed the series, season 2 left me feeling a bit "meh". The main actors all did wonderful jobs, as did several of the supporting actors. The special effects were great.

I think my main problem was the continuation of "constant crisis mode". It's like an army of Mogwai were fed the physical embodiment of Murphy's Law on Friday the 13th, became Gremlins, and were then unleashed on this TV universe.

Overall, I think the overdependence on "constant crisis mode" ended up hurting more than helping. They could have jettisoned some of the crisis sub plots in favor of more character and development and plot details.

Beyond that general problem, some more specific plot holes (some of which go back to season 1) that bugged me were...

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Why did the rust virus only start bothering the Resolute after the Robinsons showed back up? Presumably they had been their for several months, if not since right after the robot battle.

Also, they can track each colonist, even reading their vitals and such. They also have detailed physical and psychologial profiles of each one. Yet somehow they missed the dude who had four metal pins in his knee and what that could mean for the ship?

Rust virus - progressing only at the speed of plot.

Why did Judy have to risk using a Chariot to bring medical supplies to her trapped father, when they had horses?

No one on the crew knew or remembered the real Dr. Smith?!?

Why did Hastings do what he did? What were his reasons/motivations?!? For all his talk of uniting families and getting everyone to Alpha Centauri, he sure was ready to go the extra mile (including murder) to abandon everyone on the planet, even when the plan they had was working.

Why the f#*&, knowing a potentially hostile alien race was not only out there, but possibly looking for you, did they not have better weapons?!?

And why didn't the alien robots find them traveling back and forth the other 23 times?

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All that being said, there was still a good bit of stuff I liked...

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All the Judy background and character development was really well handled. Damn, though! That actress who plays her is tiny.

Dr. Smith, as always, was kick ass. By far the best villain of the series. I wish they would have done a bit more with her, but it was still entertaining to watch her play all sides.

John Robinson kicking ass near the end, fighting his way to the robot, was awesome! He's an excellent actor and the main reason I watch the show. For a while I thought they were going to kill him off, in which case I would have stopped watching. The flashbacks with he and Judy were excellent.

Don was fun. He reminds me of Petersen (played by the fantastic Jim Hutton) from the movie The Green Berets.

Loved the alien species they keep throwing out, although I wish there were more of them.

The growth of the Will Robinson character was done well, and (more importantly) not overdone. He only annoyed me slightly.

And, of course, the special effects were handled well.


There was a moment where two characters were literally starting to have some interesting dialogue when it was interrupted by an alarm and new crisis. The show started to make tongue-in-cheek jokes about the constant alarms, but I didn't laugh at one of them because they were bad jokes.

I enjoy the show. They could slow it down a little though, and everything would be fine. For example, if the number of crises were reduced, they could have jettisoned the Hastings plot line, and the show would have been fine.

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DeathQuaker wrote:

How does Parker Posey manage to even bite into a potato chip with villainous intent? She's amazing.

I'm looking forward to seeing everyone again. I do hope the writing is better; as mentioned a long time ago upthread, the string-of-coincidences and smart-characters-doing-dumb-things-because-the-writers-don't-know-how-to-pl ot got really bad as the show went on. I'm concerned from the trailer that there is also going to be way too much Will; he was fine in the first season for the most part, but he needs to be measured out in proper doses.

But as sheer scenery eye candy and watching some good acting goes, I look forward to it.

I'm quoting myself to follow up now that I've seen all of Season 2. I was at least right about eye candy and good acting! I feel like, while there is still much room for improvement, they did a better job of avoiding plot-induced stupidity than season 1. (Still half the disasters in the season would have been avoided if the Robinsons were all locked up and no one listened to them, even if that probably would have meant bad things for a large group of NPCs. Apparently the most dangerous thing in space is a well-meaning Robinson trying to save everyone.) But the writing was better. I think it has a long way to go, but it was better.

I agree with y'all about the crisis-driven plotlines. They go for the adrenaline pump rather than (much) long term tension and development. And I am still annoyed (following from an even earlier comment) that they go for crisis survival and all this interspace political crap whereas I would prefer to see actual Swiss Family Robinson in Space type of survival -- less survival horror and more staying put on their own dealing with an alien world, with more of an exploration and adaptation theme (there are pieces of that there but not enough). It's not what they're going to do though, clearly, and I guess I'm going to have to accept the show we've got.

Somehow Smith is best, most treacherous villain AND MVP. Loved the twist with her and Jonathan midway through the season. I am very curious as to what happened with her plot toward the end of the season.

Will and his Robot however can both get sunk at the bottom of the ocean world for all I care about them. I realize that's not going to happen because they're plot-pivotal, but Will's constant whining and inability to have a real relationship or interesting interaction with anyone BUT the Robot was increasingly irritating as the season went on. It feels increasingly like he'd just let his family die in a ditch if his Robot walked off in another direction, because they don't make him feel "special" enough the way the Robot does. As in my quote above, Will is only good in small doses and they DID use him too much. I liked Will okay at the end of Season 1. I utterly hate him now. He may be important to the plot but I consider him worthless as a character to watch.

I adore Maureen as I did in the prior season and the work they've continued to do with her is wonderful. Love the increasing leadership role she is taking.

Biggest surprise to me was my becoming more invested in Don's story. Really liked his arc in the whole season, and was disappointed when later episodes featured him less.

If I could design this show to my own tastes, I think it would just be Smith, Maureen, and Don trying to survive on a hostile but beautiful alien planet.

That said, I also liked Penny and Judy more; they both had some really cool roles to play and I liked the parallels with Penny and Smith. Judy has grown up a good deal in a good organic way.

Couple comments on Aberzombie's spoilers.

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Why did the rust virus only start bothering the Resolute after the Robinsons showed back up? Presumably they had been their for several months, if not since right after the robot battle.

Also, they can track each colonist, even reading their vitals and such. They also have detailed physical and psychologial profiles of each one. Yet somehow they missed the dude who had four metal pins in his knee and what that could mean for the ship?

Rust virus - progressing only at the speed of plot.

Good points in general. I thought the rust virus was in the water they were bringing up from the planet, and part of why it wasn't showing up until then was they were only just getting the water brought up. The real question was why wasn't the virus wrecking equipment on the planet?

The wrist radios are very plot devicey and it feels like the writers were making up what they did and how they worked as they went along.

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Why did Judy have to risk using a Chariot to bring medical supplies to her trapped father, when they had horses?

I can understand wanting the improved speed of the Chariot since time was of the essence, but the guy giving Judy access should have offered her a horse as an alternative first.

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No one on the crew knew or remembered the real Dr. Smith?!?

Good point. In fairness, IIRC June did disappear him pretty early on, before a lot of people were aware of him. And I don't think he had family with him.

But this should be brought up at some point--at least someone should notice him in cryostasis!

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Why did Hastings do what he did? What were his reasons/motivations?!? For all his talk of uniting families and getting everyone to Alpha Centauri, he sure was ready to go the extra mile (including murder) to abandon everyone on the planet, even when the plan they had was working.

He has a bit of dialogue with Adler where he fears he will be seen as the villain because he tried to stop the Robinsons and the Robinsons turned out to be right. He tries to kill them so they can't tell their side of the story. The weird switch was needing to preserve his reputation over seemingly caring about saving lives before. However, given how he was treating the Robots and other people, he seemed to have a sadistic/sociopathic streak prior and just seems to be the kind of person who, once he chose a course of action, didn't want to be proven wrong in it.

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Why the f!+$, knowing a potentially hostile alien race was not only out there, but possibly looking for you, did they not have better weapons?!?

They established in season 1 that their replicators/magic 3D printers were programmed to prevent people from manufacturing weapons (they didn't want lethal weapons when establishing their new life on Alpha Centauri). However, Season 1 also proved this programming could be undone. I agree some exceptions should have been made, at least to create more EMF weapons to stop the Robots specifically.

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And why didn't the alien robots find them traveling back and forth the other 23 times?

Took them that long to track the signal the first time? But now that they have it they can keep following it.

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I’m three episodes into season 3 (dropped today), and I’ve got to say things have turned somewhat interesting. At the same time, we’re also getting some predictable cliches.

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Dr. Smith being her awesomely manipulative and amoral self. Parker Posey is so awesome at making me dislike her.

The parents are all in an interesting predicament - dodging evil robots while trying to build a framework whereby all the Jupiters can link up and travel as one.

Meanwhile, the kids are handling things better than I’d expect kids to. They started with some annoying teenage love triangle, and now (with Judy’s real father back in the mix), it looks like maybe they’ll introduce another, adult love triangle. Still, with Grant back in the picture, they’ve got an adult in charge. And I’m already liking him enough to hope they don’t kill him off.

Other meanwhile - it looks like they’re introducing (sort of) the alien race who created the robot. They appear to have been kind of insectile, I think, according to Will’s comment the footprint looked chitinous. And I like the way they had the robots designed in the aliens’ own image. Makes sense. Not sure why Will was stupid enough to fool around with the alien tech. Oh yeah - Hollywood drama.

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WRT to flight off the planet:

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I was really hoping for a “Never tell me the odds” moment from Grant Kelly.

Then they had to ruin it with Maureen’s computer works better.

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Lastly…..

Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-lam).

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Whoa, thanks for posting, I hadn't realized new episodes were up. Watched the first three yesterday. Yeah, it's pretty good so far.

Although I'm kind of laughing at the whole "Will Robinson is the target so he is the greatest threat to humanity," and I'm like, duh. All they have to do is kill Will and humanity will survive. He not only is the biggest problem, he constantly goes out of his way to wander off by himself to make those stupid videos (always right before everyone is about to escape whatever hideous danger they're in too), and always finds/does something that endangers everyone constantly. I know this show is about how family sticks together and protects each other no matter what, but seriously they have built a plot where unequivocably, without a doubt, the absolute best thing to do for humanity would be to kill Will Robinson. It is actually becoming a moral dilemma that letting him live is the more evil, selfish thing to do. He's nothing but a threat to everyone else.

I think this is why I can't stop rooting for Dr. Smith. She's not only delightfully terrible, she will actually put down her own BS when survival is on the line because survival is her priority.

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I finished watching the show just a few minutes ago. Overall, I thought it was pretty well done. Good story. Great actors. Excellent special effects.

There were mistakes and some poor writing. I thought the pacing could have been better - where it seemed to swing from so much going wrong it made Murphy's Law look like a perfect summer holiday, to let's take time to quietly talk about or observe something even though death/destruction is imminent. I thought people made some downright stupid choices way too often. And with that much death defying going on, you'd think there would have been more death. Instead, we got people so damned lucky it defied probability.

I think they wasted John Robinson's background as a Navy Seal. Giving him that kind of background, I was hoping for one or three good fights.

I was also hoping they'd give Don more chances at action, but he mostly seemed there for comic relief.

Of the kids, Penny and Will were my favorites. I thought Judy came across annoying at times.

Anyway, now that it's done, I'll have to once again see if I can figure out a justification to keep Netflix. The shows I deem worthy to be viewed by my eyeballs are few and far between.

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I just finished today too (that was quick). I thought this was the best of the three seasons so they ended on a high note. Overall I thought most of the character arcs and resolutions were really well done.

I like Judy but I think they pigeonholed her into "the perfect child who always tries too hard" and had trouble steering her toward growth--though I liked what they did with some of that this season.

My favorite of the people named Robinsons is Maureen. Love Molly Parker, love Maureen's story.

I agree they didn't do enough with Don, action or otherwise.

I got really confused about...

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What the robots were up to. In the second season, IIRC the robots came after everyone because of the use of the engine. The issue seemed mainly to be about them wanting their engine back? But then we have SAR who I was a bit confused about. I get that he felt Will had enslaved Robot and wanted to free him. And so that's why he was after Will. And his general motive is to have no masters. But then he goes into this kill all humans mode when... the humans are clearly always trying to flee the robots and not control them, so the best way to stay safe and not be controlled by the humans is just to not go to alpha centauri and leave them alone. I mean I can kind of see what they are trying to do but it seemed like they were trying to develop the robots' motivations and story and gave up halfway through to make them a mindless alien menace anyway. And it seemed like SAR was free of his programming BUT then apparently bonding with the humans and changing them really actually freed the robots of their programming? So who had programmed them, if SAR rebelled against his programming to kill their creators?

As for Netflix, what Aberzombie, you're not a Great British Baking Show fan? :)


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Anyway, now that it's done, I'll have to once again see if I can figure out a justification to keep Netflix. The shows I deem worthy to be viewed by my eyeballs are few and far between.

Well....CentaurWorld is next week (You may or may not have gotten sucked into it's weirdness), The Witcher in about 2 weeks and Hilda and the Mountain King at the end of the month (Ok yeah, Hilda is a Kids show but it's really splendid and well worth the watch, if only for the wonders of Elven bureaucracy).

Not sure about January though

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Watching the final season now. I do appreciate the family friendly science fiction series. Seems everything has gone mature grimdark (even Picard). I think Parker Posey and what they did with Dr. Smith was incredible. I really enjoyed that. I did like the other characters too, but I felt like they had these mini arcs that they continuously faced over and over. It was like the constant death peril in every episode that just makes the series exhausting after awhile. I think they missed an opportunity to work more on the overall story.


Yeah, I'm getting close to the end of season 3. I'm with you Pan. I enjoy most of the character arcs and personal story lines, but the constant and incessant death peril is exhausting, and frankly makes some of the stakes feel meaningless. The show rarely kills anyone off central to the plot, and people being in life-threatening danger is soooo constant, that any victory means nothing, and any danger will quickly be forgotten. They spend a whole episode fixing a problem... then something happens that immediately means that solution is irrelevant for the rest of the series, even if the overall threat still remains.

The characters are good.
The danger is too contrived.

I do feel like season 3 got a little bit of a budget cut as well.

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