paizo.com Recent Posts in Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?paizo.com Recent Posts in Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?2018-02-14T05:53:13Z2018-02-14T05:53:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?Diachronoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvrh?Dirty-Trick-or-Feint-for-a-stalker-vigilante#62018-02-16T12:43:35Z2018-02-16T12:43:35Z<p>Pretty well, honestly. Not accounting for the fact that half the time I can't roll above a 5, at least; if it weren't for that I'd be pulling it off regularly. </p>
<p>I'd recommend a belt of tumbling, and seeing if the DM will let you use a different item slot for your Belt of Dex. Like Boots/Gloves of Dex, maybe.</p>Pretty well, honestly. Not accounting for the fact that half the time I can't roll above a 5, at least; if it weren't for that I'd be pulling it off regularly.
I'd recommend a belt of tumbling, and seeing if the DM will let you use a different item slot for your Belt of Dex. Like Boots/Gloves of Dex, maybe.Diachronos2018-02-16T12:43:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?keerawahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvrh?Dirty-Trick-or-Feint-for-a-stalker-vigilante#52018-02-15T02:36:18Z2018-02-15T02:36:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Diachronos wrote:</div><blockquote>Of course, I'm also the kind of guy who jumps at the chance to use Up Close and Personal... </blockquote><p>Interesting - I looked at that talent, and I like the idea of getting off a d8 hidden strike once a round, and d4's even on a failure, but was worried about getting smacked in the face by AoOs as those CMD+5's get scary high. Acrobatics is easier to boost than CMB, but even so... ability drain, grab, yikes.
<p>How has it worked out for you in practice?</p>Diachronos wrote:Of course, I'm also the kind of guy who jumps at the chance to use Up Close and Personal...
Interesting - I looked at that talent, and I like the idea of getting off a d8 hidden strike once a round, and d4's even on a failure, but was worried about getting smacked in the face by AoOs as those CMD+5's get scary high. Acrobatics is easier to boost than CMB, but even so... ability drain, grab, yikes. How has it worked out for you in practice?keerawa2018-02-15T02:36:18ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?Prof. Löwenzahnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvrh?Dirty-Trick-or-Feint-for-a-stalker-vigilante#42018-02-14T10:33:32Z2018-02-14T10:33:32Z<p>Well you have litterally no class ability that boosts CMB (or even to-hit), so I'd say: as nice as it sounds, Dirty Trick won't get you far. </p>
<p>Feinting on the other hand is easily improvable, first of all by Social Grace. I'd personally go that route. It's less feat intensive as well.</p>Well you have litterally no class ability that boosts CMB (or even to-hit), so I'd say: as nice as it sounds, Dirty Trick won't get you far.
Feinting on the other hand is easily improvable, first of all by Social Grace. I'd personally go that route. It's less feat intensive as well.Prof. Löwenzahn2018-02-14T10:33:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?Diachronoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvrh?Dirty-Trick-or-Feint-for-a-stalker-vigilante#22018-02-14T10:21:02Z2018-02-14T10:21:02Z<p>Tough call... you can make some damn scary things happen with Dirty Trick if you build it right, but you're right about Feint being much easier to pull off consistently. If you have room to spare in your build, I'd actually suggest getting both and using whichever one's more advantageous for the situation.</p>
<p>Of course, I'm also the kind of guy who jumps at the chance to use Up Close and Personal...</p>Tough call... you can make some damn scary things happen with Dirty Trick if you build it right, but you're right about Feint being much easier to pull off consistently. If you have room to spare in your build, I'd actually suggest getting both and using whichever one's more advantageous for the situation.
Of course, I'm also the kind of guy who jumps at the chance to use Up Close and Personal...Diachronos2018-02-14T10:21:02ZForums: Advice: Dirty Trick or Feint for a stalker vigilante?keerawahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvrh?Dirty-Trick-or-Feint-for-a-stalker-vigilante#12018-02-14T05:53:13Z2018-02-14T05:53:13Z<p>I'm looking for some advice for my tengu natural-attack stalker vigilante. I want a way to get sneak attack in situations where flank is impractical, but I'm able to full-attack.</p>
<p>I was considering a Dirty Trick build, using one vigilante talent for the rogue talent:
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[Spoiler omitted] Followed by a Greater Dirty Trick feat and another vigilante talent: [Spoiler omitted] That seems like a fantastic combo, blinding for multiple rounds with one attack, and possibly inflicting additional conditions on softer targets. I could even take Expose Weakness to decrease enemy DR.</p>
<p>My concern is that, as a 3/4 BAB class and a character that is not super-optimized for combat, I will have trouble beating enemy CMDs at level 8+.</p>
<p>The alternative is to invest a single vigilante talent into: [Spoiler omitted]
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Flat-footed is a far less debilitating condition than blind, but even with the -4 penalty for humanoids and -8 for animal intelligence, I think this DC would be much easier to beat.</p>
<p>Which would you recommend, and why?</p>I'm looking for some advice for my tengu natural-attack stalker vigilante. I want a way to get sneak attack in situations where flank is impractical, but I'm able to full-attack.
I was considering a Dirty Trick build, using one vigilante talent for the rogue talent:
[Spoiler omitted] Followed by a Greater Dirty Trick feat and another vigilante talent: [Spoiler omitted] That seems like a fantastic combo, blinding for multiple rounds with one attack, and possibly inflicting additional...keerawa2018-02-14T05:53:13Z