james014Aura |
So, in Blood of the Coven, Changeling witches get to make covens - what about non-witches who have the Coven Hex? Do they have to take Coven-Touched or do they count and just weren't accounted for?
And, if they need Coven-Touched, would it be reasonable (I'm a GM in the game this would matter in) to rule that they count anyway?
Decimus Drake |
I'm not here for complaints about the book. I'm here for interpretations.
And the interpretation I'm giving you is to more or less ignore the awful book and instead rework the rules as best works for the enjoyment of your players.
what do you hate so much?
I shouldn't really go into it on this thread but the main issue (one of several) I have with the book is what it does to the witch's patrons, how witches gain their abilities and the introduction of 'falling' for witches.
toastedamphibian |
I don't think a lot of people have this particular rule memorized, and you didn't give enough information to find it easily.
How is the ability worded? Non changelings cannot take coven-touched at all. Coven hex lets you count as a hag to join a coven, if that coven contains atleast 1 hag.
If A) Changeling Covens count as having a hag in them and B) Being a Hag is sufficent to join a Changeling Coven, then yes, anyone with the coven hex can join.
james014Aura |
Ah, here's the text. Roughly, it says 3 Changeling witches can form a coven without a hag. The question I have is, RAW only witches or just shorthand for Coven Hex (without noting that others could take it), RAI same question, and would it be a reasonable houserule to allow it if neither RAI nor RAW support it?
CHANGELING COVENS
The hag blood coursing through changelings’ veins makes
them especially adept at coven magic. Changeling witches
with the coven hex (Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player’s Guide
66) can form covens of three changelings without the usual
need for a hag member. But as a changeling draws upon
the power of her heritage, the call to wander into her hag
mother’s clutches becomes more persistent; changelings
who form a coven only with other changelings take a
–1 penalty on Will saving throws due to this increased stress.
Changeling witches with the coven hex who wish to form
a coven must perform a 1-hour ritual. When the ritual is
complete, the changeling coven gains access to the following
spell-like abilities based on the witch level of their lowestlevel
participant.
KingOfAnything |
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I think the assumption is that only witches have access to the Coven hex. Archetypes and other ways to gain witch hexes aren't generally accounted for in the rules.
I'd say that if a changeling gained access to the Coven hex, they count as a witch for the purposes of the hex and coven rules, and could join the changeling coven.