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aiglos wrote:
Considering that the first scene explicitly mentions the campaign traits as part of the scene, then if they are not sorted by now, then something has been badly mis-planned. Unfortunately it seems that everybody at Paizo seems to be concentrating on the 2nd edition and meanwhile the 1st edition stuff is being mishandled, including this website. They shouldn't have released the first installment if the Players Guide wasn't ready, particularly if the traits are explicitly referenced in the first part. That is bad product management! A delay until the Players Guide was sorted out would have been more acceptable.

I’ve heard this a couple of times and I just don’t see it.

They could have waited until the players guide was out - postponing issue 1 (and 2 by the look) but those who need it before running the AP wouldn’t be able to start any earlier.

The way Paizo went with it (releasing the product that was ready and delaying the one that wasn’t) means those who don’t need the PG get what they need and those still waiting for the PG have AP1 for an extra month to prep. How is that not better?

Obviously, a perfect world has no product delays but deliberately holding back some product unnecessarily when a related accessory is delayed doesn’t actually help anyone (and hinders plenty of people).


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aiglos wrote:
Considering that the first scene explicitly mentions the campaign traits as part of the scene, then if they are not sorted by now, then something has been badly mis-planned. Unfortunately it seems that everybody at Paizo seems to be concentrating on the 2nd edition and meanwhile the 1st edition stuff is being mishandled, including this website. They shouldn't have released the first installment if the Players Guide wasn't ready, particularly if the traits are explicitly referenced in the first part. That is bad product management! A delay until the Players Guide was sorted out would have been more acceptable.

I’ve heard this a couple of times and I just don’t see it.

They could have waited until the players guide was out - postponing issue 1 (and 2 by the look) but those who need it before running the AP wouldn’t be able to start any earlier.

The way Paizo went with it (releasing the product that was ready and delaying the one that wasn’t) means those who don’t need the PG get what they need and those still waiting for the PG have AP1 for an extra month to prep. How is that not better?

Obviously, a perfect world has no product delays but deliberately holding back some product unnecessarily when a related accessory is delayed doesn’t actually help anyone (and hinders plenty of people).

Considering that a lot of people use the hooks in PG to design their characters, plan Session 0, and so on, it's a real hindrance for a lot of folks. It's a bit like releasing a video game without the manual and saying "It wasn't ready yet, and can't people just figure it out as they go? Some people like doing that." Sure, some do. But a lot of folks like to have an idea what they're doing, not just jump in blind. And yes, I guess they could read the AP itself, but a lot of players probably don't want to have the behind-the-screen knowledge, and a lot of GMs would probably rather they didn't either.


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No, I get the disappointment that the players guide was delayed. Perfectly understandable.

I don’t understand people saying Paizo should therefore have also delayed the first instalment. Following that strategy - those disappointed people don’t get anything they’re not getting now. Those who don’t need the Player Guide have to wait for no reason. :/

I totally get being disappointed that the PG wasn’t ready at release of the AP. As a consequence of that, many will need to delay their planned start date. But delaying release of AP1 and AP2 wouldn’t have helped them at all. Their DM would just have had less prep time.

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Samy wrote:
Don't understand the rush. Play it when the guide is out. There's a ton of other material to play in the meantime.

You're correct of course, though I think that the Taldor AP has brought quite a bit more anticipation with it than most APs generally do. So "play something else" might also mean "play something you're less interested in" for those that get this advice.

Personally, I can wait for it, as there's not only a lot of other things I can play, there's also an awful lot of things I still havn't read.

Steve Geddes wrote:
As a consequence of that, many will need to delay their planned start date.

I don't know anyway how people succeed in running through all the APs so that time may be that big of an issue. But thinking about it, with Return of the Runelords looming at the horizon, if I was on of those persons, that delay could very much mean that I would sit this one out completely.


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I would be happy if they would just post the AP Traits. The rest we could work through on our own.

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Maybe this week?

Please :)


Some of you sound like "We should boycott Paizo until..."


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CorvusMask wrote:
Ah, I see you have misunderstood what I meant: I didn't mean that player's guide replaces need to read entire AP, I meant that if you absolutely have to start running ap before all parts are out, it does help players with creating appropriate characters for campaign in situation where gm is unable to do that due to not having had chance to read entire thing, so it is better than nothing.

Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire never had separate player's guides released, so non-release of the War for the Crown Player's Guide, even if accidental, isn't entirely without precedent.

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CorvusMask wrote:
(that said, there does exist really misleading player's guides. Mainly Reign of Winter one, winter witch isn't really good option in that ap :'D)
In fairness, a lot of that "misleading information" is usually put in there because they know people are gonna play Winter Witches, no matter how many times they say they shouldn't, so why not give advice on how to do that. :-)

That's not a bad idea . . . but on the other hand, from what I've seen following a PbP of Reign of Winter, you actually could come up with a good way to fit in a Winter Witch:

Roleplaying: You're a dissident/disaffected citizen or former citizen of Irrisen, like some that you actually meet up with in the AP, only having a skill set more closely tied to the nobility. You know how ruthless Irrisen's ruling class can be, and you feel that your duty is to make sure that your new friends don't get killed, rather than going
out in a blaze of glory trying to take down the ruling class.

Mechanically: You won't be all that great at doing damage to most of the enemies in Irrisen, but Witch isn't optimal for blasting anyway. On the other hand, you could get VERY GOOD at defending your allies from damage.

Actually would have liked to have seen about 4 lines fleshing that out in the Reign of Winter Player's Guide -- if I may say so myself, I think it's a cool idea.

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Umm, ye are actually wrong there, Legacy of Fire and Second Darkness DO have player's guides... They just aren't available for free, you have to actually buy them.

Also, considering that Winter Witch prestige class is all about dealing cold damage, it doesn't really change that it would be really better for that witch to not be prestige class that focuses on doing damage with energy type that most of enemies in campaign are immune to. Sure, you COULD do something else than blasting, but most of your class features are still wasted on the campaign until you reach high enough levels to ignore cold immunity.


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UnArcaneElection wrote:
Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire never had separate player's guides released, so non-release of the War for the Crown Player's Guide, even if accidental, isn't entirely without precedent.

You can find them here and here.


CorvusMask wrote:

Umm, ye are actually wrong there, Legacy of Fire and Second Darkness DO have player's guides... They just aren't available for free, you have to actually buy them.

Also, considering that Winter Witch prestige class is all about dealing cold damage, it doesn't really change that it would be really better for that witch to not be prestige class that focuses on doing damage with energy type that most of enemies in campaign are immune to. Sure, you COULD do something else than blasting, but most of your class features are still wasted on the campaign until you reach high enough levels to ignore cold immunity.

UAE may be thinking of the Winter Witch archetype.

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Adam Daigle wrote:
I'm not nailing down a date, but I'll be disappointed it we can't make this happen in the next couple of weeks at the latest.

Why am I strongly suspecting that you (and us) are going to be disappointed? :-(

Good thing you didn't nail down the date :-)

And yes, I recognize that your two weeks aren't up yet. You still have until Friday :-)


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*clears throat and gets up on tiny soapbox in front of a quickly assemble shop front*

*Ahem*

PITCHFORKS!!! I got your nice sharp PITCHFORKS!!!

PITCHFORKS and TORCHES!!!!

Can't be a self respecting vengeful mob without PITCHFORKS and TORCHES!

Get 'em while they're still burning!

;)

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Ok, this is becoming a joke. Come on, Paizo, at least release the campaign traits. Patience is a virtue, but it has limits.
I can understand if you have had a great deal of people being sick, focus on the 2nd edition, and so on. But it's only a players guide. 10 to 15 pages, mostly fluff.
I mean, did you have a break out of the black death or something.
At least post up the campaign traits so people can start.


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If you are only waiting on the campaign traits to start, I think it's just best to make up your own or use some of the ones suggested here. That should not be a blocker for you to start the campaign. This is what I did and it worked great for us.

They said that they will get it out when they can, people complaining in here isn't going to magically make it appear any faster. I think they've noted that we want it as soon as possible.


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Wows its nearly been a week since my last post in this thread and still no sign of the AP player companion. I wonder if another week will pass by with the same results.


Zaister wrote:
UnArcaneElection wrote:
Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire never had separate player's guides released, so non-release of the War for the Crown Player's Guide, even if accidental, isn't entirely without precedent.
You can find them here and here.

Okay, I didn't realize that you had to pay separately for them. I had gotten the understanding that they were packed into the AP books.

And yes, I was thinking of the Winter Witch archetype, which you have to start with anyway, since the Winter Witch prestige class has no other possible entry class/archetype (nothing has ever been released that has Ice Magic, except for the Winter Witch archetype).


Well here's to hoping we see this today, 2 weeks minus a day as they don't pop anything in on the weekend.

And if not then hopefully another update on when to expect it please.

GM has now delayed our game 2 weeks now :(

Tom


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Past time for a musical interlude while we wait.

:)

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TRDG wrote:

Well here's to hoping we see this today, 2 weeks minus a day as they don't pop anything in on the weekend.

And if not then hopefully another update on when to expect it please.

GM has now delayed our game 2 weeks now :(

Tom

Seems very unlikely that it will come out today. Yesterday Crystal did one of the "We're working as hard as we can on free product" posts. Can't see her doing that if it was remotely likely that it would come out today :-(


Thanks Pj, I'll have to look for that post and now it seems Adam Daigle
Will be very disappointed, but I suspect it comes with the territory with what is going on now with PF2. LOL

Let's hope it will be ready for the Roll20 module Launch at least on the 22, if not here as well!!

Tom

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Missing dates that are important to your customers because you are working hard on the version you want to sell them in the future is not good business practice

Unless you have a monopoly on your product of course


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Aaaaaaand another week passes with no player's guide. This is... words fail me.


We should have a sweepstake on when it comes out. I suggest rolling some dice (maybe 1d20? 2d20? 6d100? Let's go for 1d20+1d10) and adding that to today's date. It's now 17 March in the UK (and Ireland...happy St Pat).

Rolls: 1d20 + 1d10 + 17 ⇒ (1) + (5) + 17 = 23

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Well, it looks like Paizo doesn't like criticism of its policy.

I made a post in the discussion thread for the product Here

that has been deleted. The post did not personally attack anybody (in fact, I went out of my way to not do so) but it WAS critical of Paizo's policy.

So, expect this thread to be deleted soon.


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This thread won’t be deleted. If you ever want clarity on why a post is deleted, you can raise it in website feedback or send an email to community@paizo.com.

The messageboards are brimming with posts criticising various of Paizo‘s various policies. Whatever was perceived to be the problem, it was almost certainly not that.


It strikes me that Paizo are horribly overstretched at the moment, and not just because of the flu. I am giving up on War for the Crown and any other new AP until the new 2nd Edition is published. Hopefully by then Paizo will have got everything sorted out, including the website. If 2nd Edition doesn't turn out very well, there are still plenty of AP's published already. Hopefully the play testing of 2nd edition will limit the problems evident from Starfinder.


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I wouldn't give up on WftC -- the first installment is good to excellent. If you like intrigue and social interaction, it might be the best AP book to date.

But yeah, this is becoming disheartening, and a straw in the wind for possible larger problems at Paizo.


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It's an anomaly is what it is, this has never happened before, and i would guess probably never happen again.

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My real guess is that it never actually happens. They'll release the traits in a blog and that's as far as it goes. 1e doesn't matter anymore. Do your best to invest as little as you can until 2e.


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That's not how Paizo operates.

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What Captain Yesterday said.

We'll get the player's guide out as soon as we can, but it will come out.


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Wallie Desruisseaux wrote:
My real guess is that it never actually happens. They'll release the traits in a blog and that's as far as it goes. 1e doesn't matter anymore. Do your best to invest as little as you can until 2e.

I'm not so sure telling people not to buy gaming books is in the best interest of your business, Mr. Desruisseaux.

Simmer down a touch, have a little patience, show a little good faith, and all will be well and right with the world in due time. Meanwhile, since 1e will still be around for a good 1.5 years or so, I'd keep selling those books to the best of your ability! PF has its problems like every other system, but there's a lot to be loved there still!


But five weeks, Mr Jacobs, even allowing for a couple of weeks for flu, shows nothing more than incompetence by those in charge of this AP.


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It hasn't been five weeks, no need to exaggerate things.

And I assure you, Crystal Frasier is anything but incompetent. :-)

If you don't believe me check out Ironfang Invasion, The Divinity Drive, Empty Graves, The Harrowing, or In Hell's Bright Shadow.

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I think that it is extremely clear that Paizo is making the Players Guide a lower priority item than many of us think that it should be.

They have often used the "Its Free" reason. While this is technically true I think that it isn't how customers perceive things. Customers see the Guide as part of what they are getting when they purchase an Adventure Path and, as far as I'm aware, Paizo has done little or nothing to discourage that perception.

Its also highly ironic that they're using that reason while spending huge resources on another "Free" product, the playtest version on PF2 (yes, I know that people can BUY that playtest. But I think it reasonable to assume that the vast majority of customers will just get the pdf and therefore see it as free)

In a post on another thread Crystal implied that the Players Guide is being done largely (or totally) on developers free time. If I correctly interpreted her post then I think that is completely unacceptable as developers should be paid for their work.

I believe that Paizo needs to either make the Players Guides a higher priority item than they currently are or they should make it very clear that they may well come out (if they come out at all) a considerable time after the AP launches. Right now there is clearly a mismatch in customer expectations and Paizo's priority. That mismatch is not good for anybody.

Edit: Oh, and yeah, Crystal absolutely rocks. The Harrowing remains my favourite Paizo published adventure.


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I think this falls into the category of: privilege someone with something for too long and suddenly they feel it their right to have it.

We can debate about the necessity of the PG until we're blue in the face, and people can argue that those traits are called out right in the AP, so it's their job to get it to us in a timely manner . . . however, it is still a free document provided us out of the kindness of their hearts. They do it because they appreciate this community and want to do things for us that they know we'll appreciate. It's amazing to me that this community (or certain elements of it) can't be just as kind and considerate to them.

Paizo has been doing this Golarion AP thing for what, a decade? And in all that time, with exception of those couple that you had to pay for, they've supplied a Player's Guide for their APs as a free product that those working on it have--out of the goodness of their hearts--dedicated their own free time into creating. Additionally, in all that time, this product hasn't been late in coming. A decade--or nine years, if one subtracts the two paid versions--without issue.

Now, Paizo's got a lot on their plate with past illnesses and upcoming playtests that completely revise the rules system, and they're behind on one free product, and people are decrying them for it as if the world were ending and it's their fault. It just doesn't make sense to me.

If you wish to play the AP now, then play it. If you feel as though those traits are necessary, then wait. If you want something for the traits, but want to play now, there have been a couple posts here that provide freely given trait stats by people who have read the book and jotted down what makes sense to them for each one. Use those.

There are options, folks. The world won't end, the sky is not falling, the Taldor civil war will wait for you . . . and the Player's Guide will get here when it gets here. Things are busy there and it's free. Accept both of those facts for what they are, and I bid you happy gaming! =)


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If the writers are doing the Players Guides in their own free time, then that has to stop! It is always a bad mistake for all concerned as I know from my own business. Give anybody a freebie and they will expect it every time and will want more inevitably. I would rather pay for the Players Guide, knowing that the writer is being properly paid for their contributions and that the product will arrive on time as a result. The mistake is referencing the Guide so heavily at the start of the AP. If it isn't essential then you don't reference it, if it is then you produce it on time, free or not. That is simply good marketing!

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Nevermind.

EDIT: Trying to lead by example here instead of engaging. Flag and move on.

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Sub-Creator wrote:
however, it is still a free document provided us out of the kindness of their hearts.

This is where I disagree. Its free, but it isn't (or shouldn't be) provided to us out if the kindness of their hearts.

Let me use an analogy. Up here in Canada, just about every "proper" restaurant (not coffee shops, not fast food) give you free refills. Customers ABSOLUTELY expect it. While free, they're NOT given to us out of the kindness of their hearts. Its a cost of doing business, a part of what is expected when you buy a meal at a nice restaurant.

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pauljathome wrote:
Sub-Creator wrote:
however, it is still a free document provided us out of the kindness of their hearts.

This is where I disagree. Its free, but it isn't (or shouldn't be) provided to us out if the kindness of their hearts.

Let me use an analogy. Up here in Canada, just about every "proper" restaurant (not coffee shops, not fast food) give you free refills. Customers ABSOLUTELY expect it. While free, they're NOT given to us out of the kindness of their hearts. Its a cost of doing business, a part of what is expected when you buy a meal at a nice restaurant.

To bring that analogy home...

...it's hard for those servers to bring you coffee if any of the following occur:

1) The coffee machine breaks
2) They run out of mugs
3) They just built a new restaurant next door and are splitting their staff and coffee supplies betwween both places.
4) They're building a 3rd restaurant across the street that's bigger and better than the one they're currently in and have outgrown, and some of the resources they use to bring you coffee are being used to keep those building the new place going.
5) Many of their servers are in the process of moving their offices and lockers and all that to a new building.
6) They're short-staffed because of illness.
7) They're short-staffed because some of their employees had to go to restaurant conventions.
8) Due to the success of their new restaurants they've hired a lot of new workers, but training them up takes time out of their day-to-day job of bringing you coffee refills.

And when several of those things happen at the same time, in a perfect storm situation? Pretty much mayhem in the free refill department, since they'll need the time they took normally to give you free refills to handle everything else that's emergencying on them.

NOTE: Not all of the above analogies map precisely to Paizo. Coffee and Player's Guides are very different things, but the core idea is the same. When a lot of things happen at once... the most the coffee refill department can hope for from those who want more coffee is patience and understanding.


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And now I want a cup of coffee.

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pauljathome wrote:
Sub-Creator wrote:
however, it is still a free document provided us out of the kindness of their hearts.

This is where I disagree. Its free, but it isn't (or shouldn't be) provided to us out if the kindness of their hearts.

Let me use an analogy. Up here in Canada, just about every "proper" restaurant (not coffee shops, not fast food) give you free refills. Customers ABSOLUTELY expect it. While free, they're NOT given to us out of the kindness of their hearts. Its a cost of doing business, a part of what is expected when you buy a meal at a nice restaurant.

Oh, but it's Canada, where everyone is polite, constantly smiling and has an infinite amount of patience. Punch them on the nose and they'll smile and say "sorry!". You'd surely realised by now that you folks are an exception to the rule.


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pauljathome wrote:
Sub-Creator wrote:
however, it is still a free document provided us out of the kindness of their hearts.

This is where I disagree. Its free, but it isn't (or shouldn't be) provided to us out if the kindness of their hearts.

Let me use an analogy. Up here in Canada, just about every "proper" restaurant (not coffee shops, not fast food) give you free refills. Customers ABSOLUTELY expect it. While free, they're NOT given to us out of the kindness of their hearts. Its a cost of doing business, a part of what is expected when you buy a meal at a nice restaurant.

To bring that analogy home...

...it's hard for those servers to bring you coffee if any of the following occur:

1) The coffee machine breaks
2) They run out of mugs
3) They just built a new restaurant next door and are splitting their staff and coffee supplies betwween both places.
4) They're building a 3rd restaurant across the street that's bigger and better than the one they're currently in and have outgrown, and some of the resources they use to bring you coffee are being used to keep those building the new place going.
5) Many of their servers are in the process of moving their offices and lockers and all that to a new building.
6) They're short-staffed because of illness.
7) They're short-staffed because some of their employees had to go to restaurant conventions.
8) Due to the success of their new restaurants they've hired a lot of new workers, but training them up takes time out of their day-to-day job of bringing you coffee refills.

And when several of those things happen at the same time, in a perfect storm situation? Pretty much mayhem in the free refill department, since they'll need the time they took normally to give you free refills to handle everything else that's emergencying on them.

NOTE: Not all of the above analogies map precisely to Paizo. Coffee and Player's Guides are very different things, but the core idea is the same. When a lot of things happen at once... the most the coffee refill department can hope for from those who want more coffee is patience and understanding.

Thanks for the (hilarious) detailed info on the states of things.

Still, shouldn't Player's Guides be developed alongside their AP?

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Ensign 5th Account wrote:

Still, shouldn't Player's Guides be developed alongside their AP?

They are, and this one was.

They go through a lot more steps than development though (primarily layout and editing), which means there's a lot of steps that the above list of complications can hit at. The player's guide is, as far as I understand it, VERY close to being done, but its development stage has been done for quite some time. It's a complex, multi-team procedure, and it's unfair to imply that the delays hit the project only at the development stage of things.

AKA: Whether it's the editor or writer or artist or graphic designer or developer who's bringing you your coffee refill is irrelevant, since from where you're sitting, they'll all look the same.

Folks would also do well to keep in mind that we've been pretty good over the past decade-plus getting these out on time, and just because the current one's late doesn't change the fact that our track record for getting them out is pretty solid. This is, once again, a perfect storm type situation that slowed the process down, and it's hopefully not going to happen again for some time.


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James Jacobs wrote:
Ensign 5th Account wrote:

Still, shouldn't Player's Guides be developed alongside their AP?

They are, and this one was.

They go through a lot more steps than development though (primarily layout and editing), which means there's a lot of steps that the above list of complications can hit at. The player's guide is, as far as I understand it, VERY close to being done, but its development stage has been done for quite some time. It's a complex, multi-team procedure, and it's unfair to imply that the delays hit the project only at the development stage of things.

AKA: Whether it's the editor or writer or artist or graphic designer or developer who's bringing you your coffee refill is irrelevant, since from where you're sitting, they'll all look the same.

Thanks for the extra explanations.

and thanks for making them funny instead of vitriolic.

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James Jacobs wrote:
They go through a lot more steps than development though (primarily layout and editing), which means there's a lot of steps that the above list of complications can hit at. The player's guide is, as far as I understand it, VERY close to being done, but its development stage has been done for quite some time. It's a complex, multi-team procedure, and it's unfair to imply that the delays hit the project only at the development stage of things.

Thanks for the explanation: as you say, looking from the outside it's easy to forget - or be unaware - that producing a book like this (even a free one), requires input from many people across multiple disciplines, and unexpected delays at any point in the process can have knock-on effects down the line.

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James Jacobs wrote:
When a lot of things happen at once......

Stuff happens and schedules slip. I really and truly and honestly and sincerely agree with that. If Paizo just said "Stuff happened, the scheduled slipped, we'll get to it as soon as we can" then I'd really have no issue. Oh, I'd be disappointed but stuff happens.

But it isn't quite that simple. On several occassions in several threads Paizo employees have stated or strongly implied that one of the reasons that THIS particular product has slipped as much as it has is because it is Free. And my point has always been that this is NOT seen as "a free product provided to us by Paizo because they're great people", its seen as part of the integral product that is an Adventure Path.

To go back to the coffee analogy, my reaction to the restaurant saying "Sorry, we can only give you the one cup of coffee" is going to be pretty much identical to them saying "Sorry, no desserts today". If they explain I likely cut them some slack (how much depending on how much I like that restaurant, the server, etc). But my reaction is pretty much identical whether I don't get my "free" coffee refill or whether I don't get my dessert.

And if I came back the next week and found that they were now serving desserts but were still not refilling my coffee I'd start to think (whether or not it was actually factually true) that they were prioritizing selling dessert over coffee refills.


Based on my reading of the AP, I bet this player's guide will be awesome, so I don't mind waiting. Players beware: this is gonna be great, so be thankful and nice and appreciative and patient. Chances are that you didn't pay for the AP anyways; I'm usually the GM and I always fork the dough for everything, and no one rushes to pass a hat or propose I get partially refunded. I absolutely love it when a player's guide is a little late. Work on your characters in the meantime, but stay flexible so that you can incorporate the campaign traits and perhaps make a few changes to your PC to make it more relevant to the story. Increase your knowledge of Taldor so that you can fully appreciate the culture and interactions with the NPCs! if you haven't read 'Taldor, The First Empire' do so now!

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