Old Spice 'Gentleman' Class


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Possibly inspired by the 'Old Spice joke' meme, the deodorant manufacturer Old Spice released a PF Class today, 'the Gentleman' (just in time for Valentine's day...?). You can see the class here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mqawllBh142wrtTUuKtR5zpKHo0as6Ik/view
It's hetero-normative in a way that would never appear in a Paizo product.
While it says "These travelers are sometimes called Old Spice Gentlemen, other times Old Spice Gentle-ladies", it refers to other characters (to whom the character is presumably attracted) only in terms of 'the opposite sex', as if same-sex or non-binary romance is non-existent.


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After taking a look at the class, it feels like they went through a first pass idea based on what some coworkers-who-game said or even participated. If anyone wants to make it viable, the whole thing needs a bit of work.

I’d start off with bringing the class settings in line with an aristocrat. 3/4 bab, d8 hd, etc. increase the starting gold, make the uniform based on a scaling value cost (a gentle-lady wouldn’t necessarily need a suit coat and pants, gentlemen may want to dress like ladies etc.).
If a full bab was desired, I’d limit the weaponry to that an investigator or swashbuckler would use: finessable one handed light weapons plus rapier, sword cane, etc.
I like the no shield and no armor allowance. That works as a gimmick.


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They're apparently planning to change the hetero-normative wording of the class, but other than that this thing is hysterical.


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...and apparently it's clogged the Drive.


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I love how the MBA class feature doesn't actually do anything ;-)

If you want to look at this class seriously, it's actually a pretty decent 1-level dip since Cha-to-AC isn't bad in the slightest. Most of the later class features are jokes and wouldn't be worthwhile in any practical sense (notable exception granted for the 15th level Matrimony ability and 20th level capstone, which are obviously and shamelessly gamebreaking). It has about the level of playability I'd expect from a joke class.


Wasn't this intended purely as a joke, like the Can Smell Like Me commercials?


That is seriously bizzarre.

I realize this was made for fun, but the wording in of the many class features could stand to be revised for clarity. :)


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That was a fun read. I sent the PDF to my players and if they should choose to use it I think I will allow it.


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I don't think I am "hip" to the new lingo the kids use nowadays. What is "hetero-normative"?


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darth_borehd wrote:
I don't think I am "hip" to the new lingo the kids use nowadays. What is "hetero-normative"?

Focuses on the 80-90% of the population that isn't LGBT. Sometimes includes ignoring the 10-20% that is.

Note these figures have no guarantee of accuracy. I got them third-hand from census information. If they are off, please post a correction.

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Only pages 1 and 4 worked for me. :(


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I don't get it, they fight monsters by making them smell like s#&+.

Wouldn't it be easier to make Troglodytes a player race.

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Merged threads. I'm not entirely sure which forum this belongs in, so I've stashed it in in Homebrew.


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Bookmarked for giggles and posterity! :D


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Three-headed puppy.


Terrinam wrote:
darth_borehd wrote:
I don't think I am "hip" to the new lingo the kids use nowadays. What is "hetero-normative"?

Focuses on the 80-90% of the population that isn't LGBT. Sometimes includes ignoring the 10-20% that is.

Note these figures have no guarantee of accuracy. I got them third-hand from census information. If they are off, please post a correction.

Indeed, it's more like 4-5%. Source: http://news.gallup.com/poll/201731/lgbt-identification-rises.aspx


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Still a better class than the Shifter. /s


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One of my party-member friends sent this to me last night. What a hoot! he knows me and my bard-loving, chaotic nature and this is right up my alley. Our DM also thought it was great and might allow me to play one of these Gentleman characters. Ha! Here's how I see it:

My human male Gentleman is named "Sterling." He drinks a lot.
Game situation: Sterling is surrounded by nasty ogres and things look grim. He utters his catchphrase: "Danger Zone!" This seems to inspire his allies and baffle his enemies, but he only grins and takes a long pull on his flask of distilled spirits. The ogres close on him, and he says "I'm on a horse!" Whereupon, a fantastic black stallion rises up underneath Sterling and sprints away from the ogres. During the gallop, Sterling uses the feat Quick Draw to put away his flask and re-arm with his bow. Away from the danger zone, and almost as immediately, the horse disappears beneath him. The ogres, befuddled that they did not get any attacks on either the human dandy or his momentary steed, turn to face Sterling, archer. Roll for initiative!! Ha!!


Keydan wrote:
Still a better class than the Shifter. /s

A low bar, but it certainly is.


I have said many times there needs to be a "noble" class like in Star Wars or Dragonlance d20.

This fulfills it nicely.


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Mechanically, I actually really like this class. A lot of the wording is really vague, so there's a lot of gm interpretation needed here if someone actually wants to play it. I think it could fit in a campaign easily as a rich dashing noble type. Here are my thoughts.

Uniform gives you CHA to AC. Nice.

Catchphrase and Punchline are cool, maybe have them operate like Studied Target, so initially they cost a move action but after, say level 4, they use a swift. I think it would be best to only allow one per turn so the player has to choose to either buff or debuff.

Stone Convictions, Something Dumb, and After You are just flavor really, but I like them.

I'm on a Horse, Bachelor's in Marketing, and I'd Take a Bullet for You, Man all work fine as is I think.

Pleasurable Smells is odd, not sure what "nose stuff" could mean.

Biceps and Wolfdog are pretty useless, but funny.

Wardrobe Change is amazing from a flavor and mechanics standpoint.

Matrimony and the powers above are silly, but I've never played a game above lvl 15, so it doesn't bother me.


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When is someone going to write a guide for the Gentleman? I can't decide the best place to put my feat points. In which situations should I use my Advertisement ability? Help!


Want stats for the three headed puppy.


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A friend of mine who almost never gets to play with us anymore messaged me the other night about this class. He said on the rare times he can show up could he please play this. I told him yes.. lol.


I would gladly play this.

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It's schmaltzy, overly-hip, conscious of its own cluelessness, and endearing...and surprisingly well-done!

Let's not anyone get all bent out of shape regarding the "gender" thing: It's charmingly quaint, and gives the rest of us something to deviate from, which isn't such a bad thing! Mind you, they shouldn't be talking about "Gentle-Ladies", as that is a redundancy in terms; they should either be called "Ladies" or "Gentlewomen".

That Marriage feature almost tempts me to play it just so I can go be ordained as a Universal Life Church minister and show up every session ready with a Licenced Officiant!

My biggest grievance, personally: 5+INT skill points? 5???


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IHIYC - I never had you pegged as numberist. odd numbers have feelings too and have a place in the game. They are shockingly underepresented so far in areas such as skill points/level and it makes a refreshing change. Maybe we'll see more odd numbers have the courage to come forward now.

for shame *shakes head*


I feel the capstone and the ability where all your allies gain a level may both be a bit ruinous to most games however.

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The only interesting thing about it is that it shows just how powerful the D&D brand is, because dozens of "casual" media are reporting this as a Dungeons & Dragons class, because they never heard of Pathfinder. Wizards of the Coast should be happy for all the totally free marketing :)


I think I could do better start it out as a fighter archetype maybe take a few ques from order of the sticks class that elan multied into.


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....would Southern Gentleman be an Archtype


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grimdog73 wrote:
5+ skill points? I can't even....

I see what you did there.

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Greylurker wrote:
....would Southern Gentleman be an Archtype

Aw geez, sexually dimorphic class features, here we come:

This Archetype would give up "I'd Take a Bullet" in both cases, but Southern Gentlemen would replace it with "Frankly, I Don't Give a Damn", while Southern Gentlewomen would get "Manipulative Narcissist".

I suppose "Pleasurable Smells" would be replaced in both cases with "11 Herbs & Spices".


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darth_borehd wrote:

I have said many times there needs to be a "noble" class like in Star Wars or Dragonlance d20.

This fulfills it nicely.

Freeport: The City of Adventure (by Green Ronin) has a very nice Noble class for Pathfinder.


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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Greylurker wrote:
....would Southern Gentleman be an Archtype

Aw geez, sexually dimorphic class features, here we come:

This Archetype would give up "I'd Take a Bullet" in both cases, but Southern Gentlemen would replace it with "Frankly, I Don't Give a Damn", while Southern Gentlewomen would get "Manipulative Narcissist".

I suppose "Pleasurable Smells" would be replaced in both cases with "11 Herbs & Spices".

would Southern Dandy be a better name for it

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Tim Emrick wrote:
darth_borehd wrote:

I have said many times there needs to be a "noble" class like in Star Wars or Dragonlance d20.

This fulfills it nicely.

Freeport: The City of Adventure (by Green Ronin) has a very nice Noble class for Pathfinder.

Alternatively, they could expand and tweak their Noble Scion prestige class into a 20-level base class.

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Greylurker wrote:

would Southern Dandy be a better name for it

How about a Salad Days Dandy?

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Greylurker wrote:

and now there needs to be an "Upperclass Twit" archetype

Suddenly we've got a class the 20th-level ability of which becomes "Run Yourself Over".

Well, the Monk of the Healing Hand HAS set a similar precedent....


Good to have some free "gentlepersonly"-for-all-persuasions, Old-Spice influenced stuff out there. ;)


Okay, this is adorable.


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My biggest grievance, personally: 5+INT skill points? 5???

What's wrong with 5? It sounds like a good number.


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I got the sense that they must have known what they were doing with 5+int skill points, and did it precisely because they knew it would cause the more retentive purists among us to froth at the mouth. I myself flinched when I saw it.


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With a few tweaks, it might make a fun multiclass with the Dashing Thief Swashbuckler.


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Paraphrase
You gain a shortened, altered, or otherwise less time consuming version of your Catchphrase. While it doesn't capture the entirety of the awesomeness of the original, it's still pretty awesome.
Prerequisites: Catchphrase class feature
Benefit: You may activate your Catchphrase (Ex) ability as a swift or immediate action, but when you do, the result is halved.
Normal: Uttering a Catchphrase is a standard action.


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darth_borehd wrote:
Keydan wrote:
Still a better class than the Shifter. /s
A low bar, but it certainly is.

Playing a shifter in iron fang invasion and out damaging most party members. Shifter's at low levels are extremely dangerous and even more deadly at higher levels. Never underestimate a class.

As far as this one, i just love old spice. How many pathfinder player's gonna get some old spice just because of this class.


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As far as this one, i just love old spice. How many pathfinder player's gonna get some old spice just because of this class.

For some, that would be a boon to the entire party.


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For those that haven't yet seen it, here's an updated version 2 of the Old Spice Gentleman class. ;)

PS. Found it courtesy of this thread. ;)


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I will say I adore the idea of this. It reminds me of the Dashing Swordsman prestige class from Order of the Stick.

If I were to make any major change though, I would do the following.

Strong Convictions: In exchange for this penalty they gain the ability to automatically treat One will save each day as though it was a natural 20 (either this or give them an immunity to compulsion)

Something Dumb: Allow them to roll to do something minor that actually affects gameplay (using one of the examples from the original, turning a foe's hands into tacos would make them unable to use those hands if they fail a save VS a CL roll from the gentleman.

Advertisement: Essentially make this act as Renown from the Vigilante. Basically you can gain an area in which you can persuade people to recognize you. This can be used to spread rumors about you as a fighter to gain a bonus to intimidate, or allow you to make people have an opinion on you 1 step higher.

Pleasurable Smells: the "Nose Stuff" thing it mentions is replaced with the ability to reroll saves against poison.

Alternate Uniforms: Spheres of Might comparibility by allowing a Gentleman with these on to take the Warleader Sphere and one Shout, but they can only use that one shout with this. The Towel allows them to fascinate creatures that would be attracted to them.

New Haircut: instead of giving a level to all other party members, allow the new haircut to give them resistance or immunity to Polymorph.

MBA: Another thing stolen from Spheres of Might, essentially make this similar to the Commander's ability to call in specialists.

Being of Pure Energy: make this more like the Paladin's capstone.

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