Nudism in SF


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Xenocrat wrote:
Azalah wrote:
Nives Burer wrote:

*Reads title not thread*

I approve!

Good!

In all seriousness, it seems the only argument that most people have against it is, "But you'll die if you go to a deadly environment!"

Like a community with clothing standards and weapons.

What about it? Every community has standards. And every community has those who break those standards.


Azalah wrote:
I haven't read the description of Vesk in a while, but don't they normally tell the difference by color? Aka, women being brighter, more vibrant hues, while the men are somewhat muted in comparison? Also, I think the women are on average slightly bigger.

Or they could just ask each other how they identify, it's a lot easier.


Tender Tendrils wrote:
Azalah wrote:
I haven't read the description of Vesk in a while, but don't they normally tell the difference by color? Aka, women being brighter, more vibrant hues, while the men are somewhat muted in comparison? Also, I think the women are on average slightly bigger.
Or they could just ask each other how they identify, it's a lot easier.

It wouldn't change primal instincts put in by millions of years of evolution.


Xenocrat wrote:
Azalah wrote:
Nives Burer wrote:

*Reads title not thread*

I approve!

Good!

In all seriousness, it seems the only argument that most people have against it is, "But you'll die if you go to a deadly environment!"

Like a community with clothing standards and weapons.

Only community I can think of that has draconian clothing standards in the Pact Worlds universe has got to be the Aeon Throne.


EltonJ wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:
Azalah wrote:
Nives Burer wrote:

*Reads title not thread*

I approve!

Good!

In all seriousness, it seems the only argument that most people have against it is, "But you'll die if you go to a deadly environment!"

Like a community with clothing standards and weapons.
Only community I can think of that has draconian clothing standards in the Pact Worlds universe has got to be the Aeon Throne.

Right, that was well covered (heh) in the "Social Norms and Laws of the Pact Worlds" splatbook.


Must've missed that. Still, in the more "melting pot" places, it probably won't be an issue. And even less on ships where the captain is pretty much the law of the land on it. Just depends on what captain you get.

And even if clothing is required by law in most places, a character who owns their own ship can just do what they want during the days or weeks of travel they have cooped up aboard it.


I think that this is indeed 3way deal. First how you go inside your very own spaceship or cabin that is give to you is ofcourse up to you.

Second when you go outside space ship most times you have unfriendly environment that needs you to wear protection. Against bullets/intense light or just elements.

Third when you get to some place where you are reasonable sure you are not being shot and where elements wont make your living misarebale, you are usually in some sort of public space. Lets call it Absolom station just to give it some name. There you become scrutinized by other races by that standard they have taken being MOST basic form of your particular race. We call it norm. In this case you would be propably looked differently but because different races wouldn't understand consept of nudity they would propably just think it some new style for that particular race. Your own races reactions would of depend what race they are but it seems even Shirrens seems to have some kind of clothing if you read about adventure book and description.

We actually had some discussion of this subject with our group where our Shirren Fighter went everywhere naked. And in this conversation both subjects about protection (you don't wear armour you dont have AC) and others view of your race were taken account. We decided that most humanoid creatures have something on if nothing else then armour (yes my Skittermander Envoy wears amour too) so discussion of nudity basicly ended there.

Still nice that you have thinked this. I would say that it would be more role playing element for you and maybe part of immersion to game than real question of how would things around you react.


WarHawk666 wrote:

I think that this is indeed 3way deal. First how you go inside your very own spaceship or cabin that is give to you is ofcourse up to you.

Second when you go outside space ship most times you have unfriendly environment that needs you to wear protection. Against bullets/intense light or just elements.

Third when you get to some place where you are reasonable sure you are not being shot and where elements wont make your living misarebale, you are usually in some sort of public space. Lets call it Absolom station just to give it some name. There you become scrutinized by other races by that standard they have taken being MOST basic form of your particular race. We call it norm. In this case you would be propably looked differently but because different races wouldn't understand consept of nudity they would propably just think it some new style for that particular race. Your own races reactions would of depend what race they are but it seems even Shirrens seems to have some kind of clothing if you read about adventure book and description.

We actually had some discussion of this subject with our group where our Shirren Fighter went everywhere naked. And in this conversation both subjects about protection (you don't wear armour you dont have AC) and others view of your race were taken account. We decided that most humanoid creatures have something on if nothing else then armour (yes my Skittermander Envoy wears amour too) so discussion of nudity basicly ended there.

Still nice that you have thinked this. I would say that it would be more role playing element for you and maybe part of immersion to game than real question of how would things around you react.

I appreciate that you took the time to type all of that out, but it goes back to what I was just talking about. Most arguments against it just rely on the fact that there is no protection from the elements and being shot. It is something that has been hashed out quite a lot, and as I always so, "Of course they'll wear protection!"

That being said, there is quite a lot of leeway with how much armor covers. It seems that with most armors, they can be modified to only cover 1/3rd of the body instead of all of it. And there are others that say, "Any style imaginable." So I think it wouldn't be too hard to say that armor could consist of a belt, choker or collar around the neck, and some bracers/shin guards. In which case, it's problem solved on all fronts except for the social aspect.

Even with the social aspect, it's a future society built on being accepting and a melting pot. Aside from certain cultures and ships, it would most likely be accepted anyway. Most people on ships live in bunk-rooms and shower in communal showering areas, probably quite often with other people showering as well. So nudity would most likely be destigmatized to a great extent, and the only weird part about it would likely just be that it's not normal to walk down the halls naked. But most people would probably just shrug, say, "That's weird," and move along.


Is there a page number on the society being accepting? I am honestly curious, there would be a lot less Random Encounters with NPCs if that were true...


The Artificer wrote:
Is there a page number on the society being accepting? I am honestly curious, there would be a lot less Random Encounters with NPCs if that were true...

I can't point you to an exact page number, but to quote Mark Moreland, the franchise manager, who commented on this in the first page, " But if everyday folk don't bat an eye at a sentient slugbeast walking down a ship's corridor, I can't see why they'd be particularly put off by a person in an invisible jumpsuit."


I actually have conversed with my group and in that conversation we actually discussed some of this armour and how it works. And we actually came to same conclusion that it isn't any NASA sapacesuit but can actually being half magic etc only consist of some small element, bracers maybe, that upkeeps this life bubble against elements.

So your question is absolutely valid in this way.

I would say that this kind of multi racial environment would be much more tolerant to nudism because, lets be honest even after longer time. No racial knowledge of other is so profound that they could start judging you in your own races standards. And because life is so mixed with multiple races it would strange to have very intolerant races living there.

So you could argue that any basic race you encouter are more or less tolerant unless they are hostile to begin with.


WarHawk666 wrote:

I actually have conversed with my group and in that conversation we actually discussed some of this armour and how it works. And we actually came to same conclusion that it isn't any NASA sapacesuit but can actually being half magic etc only consist of some small element, bracers maybe, that upkeeps this life bubble against elements.

So your question is absolutely valid in this way.

I would say that this kind of multi racial environment would be much more tolerant to nudism because, lets be honest even after longer time. No racial knowledge of other is so profound that they could start judging you in your own races standards. And because life is so mixed with multiple races it would strange to have very intolerant races living there.

So you could argue that any basic race you encouter are more or less tolerant unless they are hostile to begin with.

It's mainly because it doesn't seem like Paizo added in exactly how much covering the armor can lose. But even if it's just down to 1/3rd the covering, it's still plenty for a nudist character. All-in-all, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day what your armor looks like, so long as it still protects. Everything beyond that is just style. And we know that armor has shields/fields to cover the uncovered areas.


Looking through armor descriptions I found a set that matches exactly what you are talking about. Clearweave the form-fitting fabric of clearwave light armor is completely transparent to better display the fashion choices beneath it discreet force field generators along each side resemble intricate tattoos as much as they resemble circuitry. Clear weaved darkens automatically when exposed to harmful solar radiation or laser fire. The Clearweave II contains built-in micro projectors that allowed the wearer to display glowing patterns, simple art, and even icons and logos through the armors fabric. These displays can be controlled via a personal comm unit or a more advanced computer. The glow emitted by the suit when displaying such patterns isn't bright enough to provide useful illumination, but it does reveal the where's position in darkness or dim light.

Neat huh lol


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My stelliferas wears clearweave, so that everyone can see the sloshing colorful water and the cute cuttlefish within. It also allows him to paint words and rude imagery on the side, to better communicate his intentions and feelings.


That is pretty neat. Is it Armory? Because while I have it, I honestly haven't looked through it.

Though I'm curious if that 1/3rd the covering also works on power armor. I need to find another game here soon to give me an excuse to read it.


Azalah wrote:
I haven't read the description of Vesk in a while, but don't they normally tell the difference by color? Aka, women being brighter, more vibrant hues, while the men are somewhat muted in comparison? Also, I think the women are on average slightly bigger.

Boys are green; girls might be mostly green (although they'll probably have blue stripes overlaying it or something), but can also be other colors. There is, however, explicitly a serum for that. (More than one, in fact: If your vesk wants to be androgynous, they can molt—I'm guessing that vesk molt, anyway; they're scaly—to two-tone bright green and keep people guessing; and if your vesk is trans and binary, they can do more than just molt.)

As for a nudist character: seconding clearweave. (Conversely, I've stated that my skittermander wears light armor that contrasts with her fur; less likely to get mistaken for an unsupervised pet that way.) And, yes; clearweave is from the Armory.


Arevashti wrote:
Azalah wrote:
I haven't read the description of Vesk in a while, but don't they normally tell the difference by color? Aka, women being brighter, more vibrant hues, while the men are somewhat muted in comparison? Also, I think the women are on average slightly bigger.

Boys are green; girls might be mostly green (although they'll probably have blue stripes overlaying it or something), but can also be other colors. There is, however, explicitly a serum for that. (More than one, in fact: If your vesk wants to be androgynous, they can molt—I'm guessing that vesk molt, anyway; they're scaly—to two-tone bright green and keep people guessing; and if your vesk is trans and binary, they can do more than just molt.)

As for a nudist character: seconding clearweave. (Conversely, I've stated that my skittermander wears light armor that contrasts with her fur; less likely to get mistaken for an unsupervised pet that way.) And, yes; clearweave is from the Armory.

Cool. But as for clearweave, I'd say that just LOOKING naked isn't the same as actually BEING naked. After all, it's not about showing off. It doesn't matter if the clothes are invisible if you're actually still wearing clothes. Clearweave may be very good for species that have some natural chameleon-like skin or some character that wants to show off their cyberware, such as a Steelskin Orc, but for nudism purposes, it's just not the same.

I'm more partial to the idea that armor can be modified and reduced in scale to cover less while using force fields to still offer the normal protections afforded from that armor.


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Part of me wonders if some players are playing nudists just because there isn't a rule in the books about starting play with free clothes.


Ravingdork wrote:
Part of me wonders if some players are playing nudists just because there isn't a rule in the books about starting play with free clothes.

In my experience, they start with armor and that's it. Though you can apparently wear armor for days at a time and sleep in it. I'm assuming some kind of way to use the bathroom in it. Though I don't think they'd smell too nice.


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Except for Echelon Fashion (which can literally be clothes) and Second Skin (which hugs tight and is typically worn under clothes), I prefer to think that most characters are wearing something under their armor besides their skivvies.


I suppose that comes down to the type of table, and whether or not the GM requires the character to buy clothes at the start. I've seen plenty of people get Second Skin because it is easy to hide under clothes, and then never buy the clothes to wear over it.

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Ravingdork wrote:
Except for Echelon Fashion (which can literally be clothes) and Second Skin (which hugs tight and is typically worn under clothes), I prefer to think that most characters are wearing something under their armor besides their skivvies.

Look its bad enough I need to wear shorts or a skirt because you hummies are so freaked out by your own furless weirdness that you expext everyone else to cover up too....


Azalah wrote:
I suppose that comes down to the type of table, and whether or not the GM requires the character to buy clothes at the start. I've seen plenty of people get Second Skin because it is easy to hide under clothes, and then never buy the clothes to wear over it.

Second Skin is thusly:

This flexible body stocking fits tightly against its wearer and can be worn under ordinary clothes. If a second skin matches the wearer’s skin tone, this type of light armor can be difficult to detect. A second skin can also accept upgrades, making it popular for celebrities, diplomats, and other individuals who want protection without appearing to wear armor.


I don't know what the description of Second Skin has to do with people not bothering to buy clothes in order to go over the Second Skin.

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