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which parts of the rules for teiflings are from the advanced race guide and which are from blood of fiends and which are from neither of those sources


Here's the Bestiary 1 entry for tieflings, and here's the Advanced Race Guide section. If it isn't in Paizo's PRD, it's from another source, like AP #25: The Bastards of Erebus, Blood of Fiends, Inner Sea Races, or another product.

Many of the race options on the d20PFSRD tiefling page indicate the source near the option(s). If the class archetype, feat, character trait, etc. doesn't specifically call out the source by name or by acronym/code (for example, ARG for Advanced Race Guide) in the body of the page, the Open Game License note in the page footer will specify the source from which it came. Not all of the tiefling options on d20PFSRD come from Paizo products; 3rd-party options are ineligible in PFS games.


if you are curious about the alternative bloodlines, those were originally from bastards of erebus, and you needed a feat (fiendish heritage) to use them.

However, the bloodlines were reprinted in blood of fiends... but the feat wasn't. Additionally, blood of fiends is PFS legal, but fiendish heritage is not.

So if that is what you are curious about... then the publication history appears to indicate that Paizo thought the feat requirement was just a waste, and they retconned it out through publication, which keeping the bloodline system otherwise intact.


thx, not for pfs tho just needed to separate things up because of certain book allowances and certain books being on the ban list needed to know exactly what i'm allowed to use and what i'm not but all the data sites just merge all the options together so it was difficult to tell which rules came from were


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For some context, back when Council of Thieves was being printed, Paizo was under the impression that Tieflings were especially powerful. The Council of Thieves player's guide includes this text:

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Since tieflings are slightly more powerful than the base races, check with your GM before you create a tiefling character. The difference in power is slight enough that some GMs won’t mind letting you play a tiefling, but the following requirements can help to mitigate the disparity between the races—your GM may require one of the following from you (or a similar restriction) if you play a tiefling. Work with your GM to find a solution that pleases your entire group...

followed by a list of suggestions to "balance" having a PC Tiefling. This is an opinion that Paizo had abandoned at least by the time the Advanced Race Guide was printed (they're 13 RP, the same as Tengus).

But none of the alternate bloodlines are in the Advanced Race guide; all of them are in Bastards of Erebus later reprinted in Blood of the Fiends.


Lady-J wrote:
thx, not for pfs tho just needed to separate things up because of certain book allowances and certain books being on the ban list needed to know exactly what i'm allowed to use and what i'm not but all the data sites just merge all the options together so it was difficult to tell which rules came from were

Oh, I realize that the PFS bit is usually not directly relevant.

I just used it as evidence of the editorial retcon- the bloodlines are legal to use in PFS, but the feat that used to give the bloodlines was not legal to use.

Thus, it could be assumed that they didn't feel you needed to pay a feat anymore. They just let the feat tax fade into nothingness- right where it belonged.


lemeres wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
thx, not for pfs tho just needed to separate things up because of certain book allowances and certain books being on the ban list needed to know exactly what i'm allowed to use and what i'm not but all the data sites just merge all the options together so it was difficult to tell which rules came from were

Oh, I realize that the PFS bit is usually not directly relevant.

I just used it as evidence of the editorial retcon- the bloodlines are legal to use in PFS, but the feat that used to give the bloodlines was not legal to use.

Thus, it could be assumed that they didn't feel you needed to pay a feat anymore. They just let the feat tax fade into nothingness- right where it belonged.

yes the feat to use them was cycled out of existence when paizo printed aasimar and then reprinted teiflings to be more in line with them was just wondering were each source of information was coming from as there's just a block of text on the websites with no really indication of were each source comes from and when there's like 3-4 sources to make up that block of text and one of them is on the banned list you gata find out else were were all the info is coming from


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Archives of Nethys gives source info for each item.


Java Man wrote:
Archives of Nethys gives source info for each item.

Yep, it should be just what's neded. For instance the race is listed as Advanced Race Guide/Pathfinder RPG Bestiary while alternate stats list Source Blood of Fiends and the FCB list Advanced Race Guide and Alternate Racial Traits have Agents of Evil, Inner Sea Races, Blood of Shadows or Advanced Race Guide.

So for Tieflings it should be as easy a a trip to Nethys.

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