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sigh...the moment that kid said "I'm going to run my way out of this place and never look back" I knew he was gonna be in a wheel chair before the end of season

I do like the show but the Cliches are strong in this one.


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FINALLY!
What should happen when someone is hit by a person with superstrength and sent flying a few meters finally happened: they are seriously hurt.

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Never stand directly behind a high profile target.

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Finally got around to watching the first three episodes. It's an interesting series. A few things I noted....

I had forgotten how long the characters of Anissa and Jennifer had been around in the comics (15 and 22 years, respectively).

I never realized how long the Tobias Whale character had been around in the comics.

I really like the guy doing Pierce. It's nice to see another older hero on the CW. I'm really hoping he gets to team up with the other shows. That'd be cool, and I think they could benefit from his experience.

I really like the Lady Eve character.

The dude playing Gambi has now been in two superhero on screen adventures.

I wish there was a little more of the superhero part, and I'd love to see a supervillain (which I'm sure we will, eventually).

All in all, it's interesting. I'll have to stream last night's episode, but after that will most likely set it to record.


James Remar (Gambi) was also the voice of Carter Hall/Hawkman on JLU. And of course he played a man named Quill for took orders from a man named Drax (in the Phantom).


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Yeah. Turns out when you punch somebody with the same force that could sent a fridge rolling several 100 feet it might break some bones and bruise some organs. Still part of me is still like they had it coming... That is not how you talk to women young man! (Yeah I'd probably be a red lantern.)

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He's also good at playing the mentor. "Dexter's dad."


The "Black Signal". Firstly: ouch. That's like, classic 70s blaxploitation bad. Secondly, I think that further supports Earth-38. Either Batman (and his signal) exist in that universe. Or he is a fictional character as famous as he is in our world. And that would be an oddity, since I don't recall Barry, Cisco, or any of the other Earth-1 geeks reading Superman or Supergirl; or Kara referencing Flash, Green Arrow, or other DC comic books based on Earth-1 heroes.

Though, to be fair, that copy of the Outsiders might be the first comic book I've seen in the DCW. And several characters from that title have appeared on Arrow or Flash. (Katana and Stagg, references to Markovia).

I think we had a comic book accurate costume here. And it demonstrated why we don't generally get comic book accurate costumes. She looked good, but the colors were a bit too bright and garish in a live action setting, and the latex will be both unforgiving and uncomfortable for extended wear. (I predict a redesign in short order.)

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Grace is from the outsiders and she and Thunder are an item

And she'll definitely be a recurring character

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Yay!


big question however, is this Grace Choi an Amazon or not?


She doesn't look very Amazonian.


Maybe she's an Amazon by way of ancient China. ;)

Regardless, she's always been a favorite of mine (Grace that it is!)

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Amazons don't have to look like they come from the Black Sea region; it depends on the version of their backstory but there's at least one where they are the reincarnations of women who were enslaved and abused... so basically could be from anywhere. Grace Choi was supposed to be a Bana Mighdall Amazon but that's a complex story to get into so I expect they are giving her a different backstory here.

She was knocked out really easily in that scene outside the club. That makes it less likely for her to have base superheroic powers but maybe she was taken by surprise and a hit to the head is a hit to the head, hard to say. When Anissa brings up parents in that same episode (maybe even that same scene) Grace says something that seems to indicate her family is currently out of the picture (but also implied that she struggled to come out as bi to them, which I don't think Amazons would care). I'd take it as both of these that she isn't an Amazon but has some other story. Certainly hope she joins the superhero world though.


I'm aware of all that. I meant she looked about 6 inches too short, and way too soft and lacking in muscle tone.


Green,

They can give her boots, and training later.

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So first, she looked pretty fit to me and tall enough -- she's taller than Anissa, who isn't tiny. Where she might (and I emphasize might) lack a little in mass, well she's been working as a bartender--even if she had fighting training she may not have used it recently.

I'm leery of judging a woman's body type and saying "you don't look right to be x" in any case... may not be originally intended but much too easy to slide the slippery slope into body shaming. I used to get all judgy myself over picks for Wonder Woman actresses and realized I was getting really petty. The important thing was an actress who could portray the spirit of the character, who could then train for the part. While certainly different types put it on differently, muscle is mostly training.

And so what I'm getting at is can we please move the conversation away from something that may slide into body shaming and discuss the rest of the show, please.

Like, is Lady Eve a zombie-raiser? What the heck was she doing with that dead body that appeared to be waking up he other week?


I always thought Kobra did some voodoo on the side. I mean they're like HYDRA and we know HYDRA had magic villains.

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Nice nod to Thunder's original suit


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LOVING THIS SHOW

WIFE MAY COSPLAY LADY EVEQ

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Freehold DM wrote:

LOVING THIS SHOW

WIFE MAY COSPLAY LADY EVEQ

DOOOOOO IIIIITTTTT!!!!!


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Freehold DM wrote:

LOVING THIS SHOW

WIFE MAY COSPLAY LADY EVEQ

I am here for this. Yes. Good. Do the thing.

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I'm still enjoying this show, although it still reminds me more of (less awesome) Luke Cage than a typical DC show on the CW.

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I enjoyed the throw down between father and daughter. I'm glad BL won, though.

The revelation that Lady Eve was once in some kind of (spy?) "Agency" with Gambi makes me like each character even more. It kind of threw me off, though, because Lady Eve doesn't look like a typical spy as presented by Hollywood. It's a refreshing change.

I thought the thing with the statue was fairly pointless, and didn't fit will with the overall flow of the episode. It might have been more interesting if they used Anissa to expand further on the cyber-bullying Jennifer experienced.

I look forward to seeing Jennifer get her powers in time to battle her ex-boyfriend-turned-supervillain.


The first shot of the statue, there was no context, and it looked like a renaissance Italian. A start to that story rather than coming in mid-way might have helped.

Realistic looking guns? Squirt Guns don't come that way.


So those Electric Rifles. I'm going out on a limb and saying they weren't designed by Thomas A Swift.

Toastmasters?

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Regarding realistic guns, I think Jefferson's point was that anything vaguely gun shaped might kick off a trigger happy cop. IRL there are cases of highly-wired cops shooting people believing they had guns when they were holding obvious non weapons, like household items or even just their wallet. IIRC there was a news story not too long ago about an autistic man playing with a toy airplane that a policeman shot because he "thought it was a gun" (the guy was in the middle of the street and acting erratically, which was cause for concern, but not worth shooting someone).

This episode I enjoyed. I was briefly really annoyed about what happened to Lady Eve (great villain) but I realized we have not seen the last of her, clearly.

Tobias's sister seemed to know where to get the electric rifles and now she's dead, so hmmm.

Am liking a lot that Black Lightning and Thunder will be working together soon. I really thought they were going to overly drag out the overprotective dad routine, and I really thought Jeff was being really frustrating and hypocritical so I'm glad he turned around (but also in an organic way that made sense for the character).

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That last scene of last week's ep was quite unexpected. I'm curious to see where they go with this whole development.

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Yeah.

On that subject...:

My TV's picture was fritzing out last week due to a storm (yes, I am that one person who still watches normal broadcast tv) and so I couldn't see who had shown up clearly--I thought it was Lady Eve who had appeared before LaLa instead of LaWanda because she said the "Latavius, do you believe in the resurrection?" which is a question that Lady Eve had asked LaLa earlier. Obviously it's LaWanda though but I am wondering if it's still something like the ghost of Lady Eve taking LaWanda's form because that would f~$$ with LaLa's head the most (since she is speaking with Lady Eve's words).

This week's ending was unexpected too. I knew that was coming but I didn't think so soon.


I'd thought that as well. I'd also forgotten the name Latavius, and thought it was one of the men who had died during the episode.

It left me confused for a while.

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I liked this one too. The scene where Black Lightning and Thunder are walking out of the warehouse was epic. Perhaps riffing on a well-established trope, but epic nonetheless.

Okay: now Vixen and Supergirl are both namedropped, interesting. And the context this time definitely seemed to be references to people who exist in their world. So it's either a separate Earth (because Vixen is Earth 1 and Supergirl Earth-38 or whatever so it's a different world where they're both present), or it's Earth-1, and they've seen news coverage of Supergirl from her visits to Earth-1 during the crossovers, or it's Earth-38 and there's a version of Vixen in that world too.

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DeathQuaker wrote:

I liked this one too. The scene where Black Lightning and Thunder are walking out of the warehouse was epic. Perhaps riffing on a well-established trope, but epic nonetheless.

Okay: now Vixen and Supergirl are both namedropped, interesting. And the context this time definitely seemed to be references to people who exist in their world. So it's either a separate Earth (because Vixen is Earth 1 and Supergirl Earth-38 or whatever so it's a different world where they're both present), or it's Earth-1, and they've seen news coverage of Supergirl from her visits to Earth-1 during the crossovers, or it's Earth-38 and there's a version of Vixen in that world too.

I was thinking the same thing. I think the writers purposefully mixed Earth-N references to mess with the audience. Based on comments earlier that have been made by producers, I'm guessing that Black Lightning is on a different Earth than any of the other Arrowverse shows.


Couldn't it be a completlty new unrelated earth?


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Why not? The most recent crossover event simultaneously acknowledged the 52-part Multiverse and then added a 53rd...so Earth-Lightning could now be any number. Or letter. Or emoji.

Sorry, still disgruntled by that aspect of the crossover. While I appreciated the Earth-X reference, I didn't like that they broke the 52-universe structure to make it.


But its so bad that it has to break the Multiverse. Because National Socialist Party of Deutschland.


Hmm, I wonder who the Watcher could be? There are 5 minutes left in the episode, could it be the person in the "previously" clips that hasn't appeared yet?

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I was so hoping Khalil wouldn't be a moron. He's a moron. I was hoping to see Lightning accidentally light his s$%& up, but no. I'm glad she saved her dad though.

Lynn is the best mom, to do genetics research AND bake that cake. I want that cake.


Anyone else love the relationship Jefferson and Lynn have? I had despaired of seeing competently written romantic relationships - especially complicated ones - in our CW superhero shows, but these two are just perfect. Jeff's exaggerated reaction to the idea of a cure was an unfortunate hiccup, but considering how quickly the show has resolved other issues, I'm inclined to believe it will be smoothed over before long.

RE: Khalil. Eh, it was in the cards the moment he took up Whale's offer. And to be fair I can understand his position. Frustration, anger, resentment and despair at losing his ability to run - the one thing that he had going for him in life, the one thing to give him a chance to get a better life down the line. Then some guy offers him a chance to run again, and it comes with strings attached. He doesn't care too much about that because now he has a future (of sorts) again.

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Bjorn, I do like Jeff and Lynn's relationship a lot. I struggled a little at first as the "I don't want you to risk yourself/I can't deal" thing felt a bit cliched, but they have clearly taken a cliched superhero idea and pushed it into a well fleshed out, real-feeling story, and both have transformed well. Their concerns, their fights, their reconciliations all feel very true, and I like that what comes between them are generally real concerns about parenting and protecting their family that do cause tension in any couple (superhero plot aside), not the usual utterly shallow, fabricated, ridiculous relationship drama present in other shows. I feel like I am watching one of the first, real, adult relationships to ever exist on the CW period. (Jane the Virgin has a few good relationships on it too, but Black Lightning is doing it even better.)


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30 Years ago the ASA felt the need to engage in a Metahuman Arms Race. I wonder, would Greenlight be composed of a mineral found in a Kansas meteor shower somewhere around 35-40 years ago?

Perhaps the arms race was inspired by "meteor freaks"?


My one question is is the neruotoxin dart thing really that more effective then a gun? It seems very inefficient a lot more motion and can't be that easy to aim plus the range has to be a lot shorter.


Shortest depowering ever?
Did not like the whole 'we are connected' speech Lynn gave, and I'm pleased to see some good guys just straight killing baddies without the angsty moralizing wishy-washy crap you get on Arrow, but I would have liked something more of a reaction from Lynn and the girls over it.
Probably the weakest episode so far, but still enjoyable.

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Did I miss something? What exactly happened to the meta-humans from the tubes? I'm expecting that some will become characters in S2, but can't figure out if they actually said what happened to them.


So I guess that whole lala arc over the last half of the show was kind of pointless...


And that after giving him the name of a comic book character.


GreenDragon1133 wrote:

30 Years ago the ASA felt the need to engage in a Metahuman Arms Race. I wonder, would Greenlight be composed of a mineral found in a Kansas meteor shower somewhere around 35-40 years ago?

Perhaps the arms race was inspired by "meteor freaks"?

Interesting thought. Though it would seem to make Earth-BL the same as Earth-Smallville, which is as far as we know not part of the current CW-verse or the current DC Comics Multiverse.

Or were you suggesting it as a near miss of Earth-Smallville, one where the government collected the meteor fragments before meteor freaks became a thing, and where Kal-El's ship never landed on Earth?


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Did I miss something? What exactly happened to the meta-humans from the tubes? I'm expecting that some will become characters in S2, but can't figure out if they actually said what happened to them.

Wasn't resolved, but my assumption is that they'll be moved to someplace Gambi can make safer than his North Freeland cabin, and that Lynn will work on safely removing the Stage 2's from their pods.

I'm not sure the Stage 1's were ever moved to the latest location; if they were too far gone for Proctor's purposes, even still alive, he may have ordered them disposed of.

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:

30 Years ago the ASA felt the need to engage in a Metahuman Arms Race. I wonder, would Greenlight be composed of a mineral found in a Kansas meteor shower somewhere around 35-40 years ago?

Perhaps the arms race was inspired by "meteor freaks"?

Interesting thought. Though it would seem to make Earth-BL the same as Earth-Smallville, which is as far as we know not part of the current CW-verse or the current DC Comics Multiverse.

Though IIRC Chloe Sullivan and her Wall of Weird got namedropped on Supergirl. I think there's some insinuation that Earth-38 may not be exactly Earth-Smallville, but that the grownup Superman on that world had a very similar story (it might also explain why Flash couldn't find his friends because they were older/gone/different versions of those people). So the meteor-freak origin of weirdness on this world could work either way--it's Earth-38, Earth-Sm, or a similar Earth.


What you guys don't think they will resurrect lala more then once?


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Damon Griffin wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:

30 Years ago the ASA felt the need to engage in a Metahuman Arms Race. I wonder, would Greenlight be composed of a mineral found in a Kansas meteor shower somewhere around 35-40 years ago?

Perhaps the arms race was inspired by "meteor freaks"?

Interesting thought. Though it would seem to make Earth-BL the same as Earth-Smallville, which is as far as we know not part of the current CW-verse or the current DC Comics Multiverse.

Though IIRC Chloe Sullivan and her Wall of Weird got namedropped on Supergirl. I think there's some insinuation that Earth-38 may not be exactly Earth-Smallville, but that the grownup Superman on that world had a very similar story (it might also explain why Flash couldn't find his friends because they were older/gone/different versions of those people). So the meteor-freak origin of weirdness on this world could work either way--it's Earth-38, Earth-Sm, or a similar Earth.

That's what I was thinking (or close to it). Obviously not an exact duplication of Smallville. There was no Junior Lifeguard Association, Green Arrow, Doomsday, Metallo, etc. Or another Supergirl, another Legion.

But there is no reason why there couldn't have been a Smallville Meteor Shower the day Kal-El was found by the Kents. Or that the Green K couldn't have affected (meta-)humans the same way.

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Wow, I totally missed that the second season premiered last week. I just watched the 1st ep, still need to watch the 2nd. (I am a grognard and have only broadcast television. For some bizarre reason, I used to get the best reception on the channel we get the CW on, and now as of about three weeks ago I can't get the signal for it at all. So I haven't been able to watch anything as it airs.)

1st ep seemed good. Jennifer/Lightning's powers are growing whether she wants them to or not.

Jeff's characterization seems to be stuck in a little bit of a rut. He seems to have unlearned some lessons I thought he learned last season. Mind, I still like Jeff, but they need to pick an arc/development and stick with it.

Lynn I am liking more and more. I so wanted to punch that agent in the balls for her sake.

Maybe we've talked about this before... but her surname is Stewart. Does she have a relative named "John"?

I love what Anissa's doing and I know it is going to backfire in some tremendous way.

So Bill knows now...

I like the new Spotter lady. I hope she'll recover.

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