paizo.com Recent Posts in How good is DR for a PC?paizo.com Recent Posts in How good is DR for a PC?2018-01-12T04:43:41Z2018-01-12T04:43:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Grandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#422018-01-14T23:50:18Z2018-01-14T23:50:18Z<p>My thought on how much dr is useful is that's it has to out preform toughness. It's a low bar but most games are played at a level where you can take toughness in keeping within the power curve. Save you 1 hp/level and you don't have to heal it so that gives it the edge. Thain is different combat to combat but it's a good low bar.</p>My thought on how much dr is useful is that's it has to out preform toughness. It's a low bar but most games are played at a level where you can take toughness in keeping within the power curve. Save you 1 hp/level and you don't have to heal it so that gives it the edge. Thain is different combat to combat but it's a good low bar.Grandlounge2018-01-14T23:50:18ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Ryan Freirehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#412018-01-14T23:42:22Z2018-01-14T23:42:22Z<p>DR becomes valuable as it reaches 1/2 character level, amounts less than this are useful but not completely valuable. If you have that level of DR available feats like stalwart become even more valuable.</p>
<p>So, basically Fighters with some armor mastery/adamantine armor, invulnerable rager barbarians, things like that get good use out of DR. stuff like DR 5 is a lot less useful.</p>DR becomes valuable as it reaches 1/2 character level, amounts less than this are useful but not completely valuable. If you have that level of DR available feats like stalwart become even more valuable.
So, basically Fighters with some armor mastery/adamantine armor, invulnerable rager barbarians, things like that get good use out of DR. stuff like DR 5 is a lot less useful.Ryan Freire2018-01-14T23:42:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#402018-01-14T06:44:24Z2018-01-14T06:44:24Z<p>Creating new spells will probably not be looked on favorably in this campaign. One of the house rules is you must use craft or profession to create the items, and the DC is also home-brewed. Additionally, anything off-list (i.e. not in a book) will likely not be allowed. [I have not yet had a chance to test making a combined item yet. It might work or might not.] Hitting these DCs with craft is hard since I dumped Int, yet Perform is harder to boost. One reason I am keen to get an Azlant Pendant, for the +10 insight to a skill check. More rules: +5 DC for a skipped component is not allowed; and take-10 is not allowed. That means I cannot make a least bag of holding for 1,000 gp until someone gets the Secret Chest spell, and I don't think any of our casters will be getting it due to their own casting path. Still, I am investing in crafting boosters, so I can reasonably craft. Lastly, at early levels, the city we were in had major problems with magic and spell access.</p>
<p>All told, it is difficult to do even normal stuff. But I am handling it for now.</p>
<p>This is why I am looking for existing items that I might make, or spells or feats I can use.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>Creating new spells will probably not be looked on favorably in this campaign. One of the house rules is you must use craft or profession to create the items, and the DC is also home-brewed. Additionally, anything off-list (i.e. not in a book) will likely not be allowed. [I have not yet had a chance to test making a combined item yet. It might work or might not.] Hitting these DCs with craft is hard since I dumped Int, yet Perform is harder to boost. One reason I am keen to get an Azlant...Cevah2018-01-14T06:44:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Jakkedinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#392018-01-14T06:06:53Z2018-01-14T06:06:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have recently been using <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/defending-bone" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Defending Bone</a> to help protect my cleric. If gives DR 5/bludgeoning, up to 50 hp @ 5/level. Sounds good. However, it has failed to have any effect against a number of monsters•. So I am wondering if it is worth the spell slot I have dedicated to it.</p>
<p>I know of a similar spell, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/ablative-barrier" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ablative Barrier</a>, that gives +2 AC and converts up to 50 hp to non-lethal and gives DR 5/- against non-lethal. Are there other spells or magic items that give DR?</p>
<p>As to class abilities, the DR that barbarians get is quite small and requires multiclassing to get.</p>
<p>I would love opinions on all the various options for DR that are out there.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>
<p>•Currently doing Shattered Star AP, which seems to have a lot of critters with bludgeoning attacks. Currently level 8. </blockquote><p>You are a caster- don't fall for just using spells from the known sources. Make up your own. Like variants of Defending Bone that give DR overcome by another type damage/ source.
<p>You say you have the feats Craft Wondrous Item and Craft Magic Arms and Armor. Obviously these feats are taken usually to share and help the party. Make a point of shoring up your weaknesses in combat before crafting for others for a bit. Make up your own original items. Armor that gives DR. Wondrous Items to give other AC types, mirror image or other spell effects for rounds/ minutes/ hours a day. These are powerful feats. Use them to their fullest. And be creative.</p>
<p>You will need to work with your DM and hopefully the other players will understand that you need to concentrate on yourself and not using your craft feats for them. And if your DM and other players won't cooperate, then change those craft feats for ones that help you during combat.</p>Cevah wrote:I have recently been using Defending Bone to help protect my cleric. If gives DR 5/bludgeoning, up to 50 hp @ 5/level. Sounds good. However, it has failed to have any effect against a number of monsters*. So I am wondering if it is worth the spell slot I have dedicated to it.
I know of a similar spell, Ablative Barrier, that gives +2 AC and converts up to 50 hp to non-lethal and gives DR 5/- against non-lethal. Are there other spells or magic items that give DR?
As to class...Jakkedin2018-01-14T06:06:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Grandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#382018-01-14T04:57:06Z2018-01-14T04:57:06Z<p>There are items for see invisibility, and scent. Smog pellets are a standard load out item for me. You will also get invisibility purge so getting scrolls is a good idea. </p>
<p>Additional trait would be great. Leads well into quicken divine favor especially if you take fate's favored and magical linage.</p>There are items for see invisibility, and scent. Smog pellets are a standard load out item for me. You will also get invisibility purge so getting scrolls is a good idea.
Additional trait would be great. Leads well into quicken divine favor especially if you take fate's favored and magical linage.Grandlounge2018-01-14T04:57:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#372018-01-14T04:45:28Z2018-01-14T04:41:52Z<p>@graystone: perhaps you are right, but it looks like I can do more under <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/unhindering-shield-shield-mastery" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Unhindering Shield</a> than I can do with <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-brace-combat-shield-mastery" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shield Brace</a>.</p>
<p>@Avr: As the number of channels is Cha dependent, I <s>do</s> <i>don't</i> have a decent Cha. <i>[Only a +1 mod]</i> So at first glance <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/osyluth-guile-combat" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Osyluth Guile</a> looks good. But I don't have Dodge, and I dumped Int for the MAD character, so I only get 1 rank per level. I don't have any ranks in Bluff. So that's out.</p>
<p>While my party has a number of casters, I am the only one with crafting feats. That eats into feats available for making the character better at fighting. I do have CWI and CMA&A, and am looking at Craft Construct (but probably at 11th unless I can retrain). Currently thinking either getting Scent (I am a half-orc), or Additional Talents (Armor Expert & Fate's Favored). One character has See Invisible as a class feature (impliment?), so Scent may not be so needed.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>
<p>EDIT: Checked my Cha mod. Oops. Not as much as I'd like.</p>@graystone: perhaps you are right, but it looks like I can do more under Unhindering Shield than I can do with Shield Brace.
@Avr: As the number of channels is Cha dependent, I do don't have a decent Cha. [Only a +1 mod] So at first glance Osyluth Guile looks good. But I don't have Dodge, and I dumped Int for the MAD character, so I only get 1 rank per level. I don't have any ranks in Bluff. So that's out.
While my party has a number of casters, I am the only one with crafting feats. That...Cevah2018-01-14T04:41:52ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#362018-01-14T01:16:10Z2018-01-14T01:16:10Z<p>In at least one version (PFS's) shield brace makes your spear or polearm treated as one-handed for Str & power attack bonuses. Of course, the same house rules ban unhindering shield.</p>
<p>If you're missing the proficiency I'd call either too many feats to work, though. Some other feats which can help defend you might include toppling spell (add to hedging weapons, spiritual hammer or spiritual ally) to knock enemies prone and so stop them moving up to attack you; or dodge + osyluth guile if you have a noticeable Cha bonus; or improved unarmed strike + snake style if you've invested in sense motive.</p>In at least one version (PFS's) shield brace makes your spear or polearm treated as one-handed for Str & power attack bonuses. Of course, the same house rules ban unhindering shield.
If you're missing the proficiency I'd call either too many feats to work, though. Some other feats which can help defend you might include toppling spell (add to hedging weapons, spiritual hammer or spiritual ally) to knock enemies prone and so stop them moving up to attack you; or dodge + osyluth guile if you...avr2018-01-14T01:16:10ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Avoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#352018-01-14T01:06:20Z2018-01-14T01:06:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote>I guess as much after you said you weren't proficient: almost no one uses a shield non proficient WITH an ACP penalty as it affects to hit's and dex/str skills.</blockquote><p>I'm actually playing such a character right now. It works great for divine casters with Noble Scion of War - or who are willing to tank their initiative.graystone wrote:I guess as much after you said you weren't proficient: almost no one uses a shield non proficient WITH an ACP penalty as it affects to hit's and dex/str skills.
I'm actually playing such a character right now. It works great for divine casters with Noble Scion of War - or who are willing to tank their initiative.Avoron2018-01-14T01:06:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#342018-01-13T23:19:46Z2018-01-13T23:19:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote>I also get to maintain the shield where I would not under the Shield Brace feat.</blockquote><p>I don't understand your meaning here. What in Shield Brace prevents 'maintaining' a shield?
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote>I can use it because it has 0 ACP.</blockquote><p>I guess as much after you said you weren't proficient: almost no one uses a shield non proficient WITH an ACP penalty as it affects to hit's and dex/str skills.Cevah wrote:I also get to maintain the shield where I would not under the Shield Brace feat.
I don't understand your meaning here. What in Shield Brace prevents 'maintaining' a shield? Cevah wrote:I can use it because it has 0 ACP.
I guess as much after you said you weren't proficient: almost no one uses a shield non proficient WITH an ACP penalty as it affects to hit's and dex/str skills.graystone2018-01-13T23:19:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#332018-01-13T18:35:04Z2018-01-13T18:35:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote>Edit: I note that <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/unhindering-shield-shield-master" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Unhindering Shield</a> looks strictly better.</blockquote>It takes longer to get and gives you a lower AC. How is it superior in any way for a reach + shield build? You need the proficiency in shields AND the same feat, Shield Focus. The only way it seems 'better' is that it makes it easier to cast in combat but the build doesn't seem to be focused on that. </blockquote><p>While it takes longer to get, I already meet the BAB prereq. I just need three feats for either way. Therefore, access is the same.
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For AC, a buckler does the same as a light shield. Only one less than a heavy shield. Both can be enchanted, leaving a single point of difference in return for having an enchanted shield (with several AC backed in) vs. not having a shield. I also get to maintain the shield where I would not under the Shield Brace feat.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote> Actually, it is three feats. As an evangelist, I don't get shield proficiency.</blockquote>You said you had a shield so I figured you had it, like from a dip. I wasn't aware you were carrying a shield without the proficiency: 3 feats JUST for being able to use a shield is a bit much IMO. </blockquote><p>I can use it because it has 0 ACP. But when equipped, I cannot use my longspear.
<p>/cevah</p>graystone wrote:Cevah wrote:Edit: I note that Unhindering Shield looks strictly better.
It takes longer to get and gives you a lower AC. How is it superior in any way for a reach + shield build? You need the proficiency in shields AND the same feat, Shield Focus. The only way it seems 'better' is that it makes it easier to cast in combat but the build doesn't seem to be focused on that. While it takes longer to get, I already meet the BAB prereq. I just need three feats for either way....Cevah2018-01-13T18:35:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#322018-01-13T05:05:34Z2018-01-13T04:42:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote>Edit: I note that <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/unhindering-shield-shield-master" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Unhindering Shield</a> looks strictly better.</blockquote><p>It takes longer to get and gives you a lower AC. How is it superior in any way for a reach + shield build? You need the proficiency in shields AND the same feat, Shield Focus. The only way it seems 'better' is that it makes it easier to cast in combat but the build doesn't seem to be focused on that.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Actually, it is three feats. As an evangelist, I don't get shield proficiency.</p>
<p>/cevah </blockquote><p>You said you had a shield so I figured you had it, like from a dip. I wasn't aware you were carrying a shield without the proficiency: 3 feats JUST for being able to use a shield is a bit much IMO.Cevah wrote:Edit: I note that Unhindering Shield looks strictly better.
It takes longer to get and gives you a lower AC. How is it superior in any way for a reach + shield build? You need the proficiency in shields AND the same feat, Shield Focus. The only way it seems 'better' is that it makes it easier to cast in combat but the build doesn't seem to be focused on that. Cevah wrote: Actually, it is three feats. As an evangelist, I don't get shield proficiency.
/cevah
You said you had a...graystone2018-01-13T04:42:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Devilkillerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#312018-01-13T00:45:16Z2018-01-13T00:45:16Z<p>I think that DR is likely to be better in a published adventure (say PFS especially) where the monsters come out of the book and do what they do, almost ensuring the appearance of some monsters which don’t do big one hit damage. In a homebrew game DMs might (intentionally or not) begin adjusting to a PC’s DR by using heavy hitters, energy damage, etc more often.</p>
<p>Certainly I've seen Ablative Barrier with the “double healing” option work pretty well for an Alchemist in Council of Thieves. On the other hand, DR5/- from armor mastery didn't help my 20th level Viking much, especially since his AC was often 50+ to help avoid getting hit multiple times to begin with (DR being best against lots of smaller damage hits)</p>I think that DR is likely to be better in a published adventure (say PFS especially) where the monsters come out of the book and do what they do, almost ensuring the appearance of some monsters which don’t do big one hit damage. In a homebrew game DMs might (intentionally or not) begin adjusting to a PC’s DR by using heavy hitters, energy damage, etc more often.
Certainly I've seen Ablative Barrier with the “double healing” option work pretty well for an Alchemist in Council of Thieves. On...Devilkiller2018-01-13T00:45:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#302018-01-13T00:42:16Z2018-01-13T00:42:16Z<p>Actually, it is three feats. As an evangelist, I don't get shield proficiency.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>Actually, it is three feats. As an evangelist, I don't get shield proficiency.
/cevahCevah2018-01-13T00:42:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#292018-01-13T00:37:04Z2018-01-13T00:37:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Shield Brace: allows a shield and a polearm/spear.</p>
<p>Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.</p>
<p>Make sure your shield has NO ACP as that affects your to hit rolls with this feat. </blockquote><p>Shield Focus: a feat I don't have, so this route needs two feats, not one.
<p>/cevah </blockquote><p>You wanted a feat that let you use a shield and keep your reach attack: that's what I gave. 2 feats isn't particularly bad for adding a minimum of +3 to your AC [darkwood heavy shield].Cevah wrote:graystone wrote:Shield Brace: allows a shield and a polearm/spear.
Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.
Make sure your shield has NO ACP as that affects your to hit rolls with this feat.
Shield Focus: a feat I don't have, so this route needs two feats, not one. /cevah You wanted a feat that let you use a shield and keep your reach attack: that's what I gave. 2 feats isn't...graystone2018-01-13T00:37:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#282018-01-13T00:32:33Z2018-01-13T00:32:33Z<p><a href="http://archivesofnethys.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Unhindering%20Shield" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Unhindering shield</a> is the feat you're after. Not possible before 9th level as a cleric though.</p>Unhindering shield is the feat you're after. Not possible before 9th level as a cleric though.avr2018-01-13T00:32:33ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#272018-01-13T00:40:30Z2018-01-13T00:22:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Shield Brace: allows a shield and a polearm/spear.</p>
<p>Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.</p>
<p>Make sure your shield has NO ACP as that affects your to hit rolls with this feat. </blockquote><p>Shield Focus: a feat I don't have, so this route needs two feats, not one.
<p>Edit: I note that <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/unhindering-shield-shield-master" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Unhindering Shield</a> looks strictly better.
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p><b>Prerequisite(s):</b> Shield Focus, base attack bonus +6 or fighter level 4th, proficiency with bucklers.</p>
<p><b>Benefit(s):</b> You still gain a buckler’s bonus to AC even if you use your shield hand for some other purpose. When you wield a buckler, your shield hand is considered free for the purposes of casting spells, wielding weapons, and using any other abilities that require you to have a free hand or interact with your shield, such as the swashbuckler’s precise strike deed or the Weapon Finesse feat.</p>
<p><b>Special:</b> A monk with this feat is not considered to be using a shield for the purposes of his AC bonus, fast movement, or flurry of blows.</blockquote><p>/cevahgraystone wrote:Shield Brace: allows a shield and a polearm/spear.
Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.
Make sure your shield has NO ACP as that affects your to hit rolls with this feat.
Shield Focus: a feat I don't have, so this route needs two feats, not one. Edit: I note that Unhindering Shield looks strictly better.
Quote:Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus, base attack bonus +6 or fighter...Cevah2018-01-13T00:22:18ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Grandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#262018-01-13T02:49:14Z2018-01-13T00:06:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Grandlounge wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Sorry skimmed and did not see cleric. I'm going to just throw ideas at the wall feel free to ignore all of it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/shield-of-darkness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shield of darkness</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/sanctuary" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">sanctuary</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/g/grace" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">grace</a> are spells I use to keep out of harm's way with my evangelist.</p>
<p>There are more option at higher levels. <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/angelic-aspect" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Angelic Aspect</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/r/righteous-might" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Righteous Might</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/eaglesoul" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eaglesoul</a> (small buffs to everything).</p>
<p><b>AC stuff</b>
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<li> <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/goods-and-services/toys-games-puzzles/#TOC-Sanctified-Shield" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sanctified Shield</a> for when your not attacking channel is weak anyway.</p>
<p><li> <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/bone-fists" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bone fist</a> if it works for your group is ok.</p>
<p><li> Magic vestment again on a shield. </p>
<p>Spell storing armor with <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/frigid-touch" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">frigid touch</a> or <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/stricken-heart" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">stricken heart</a>. You will need someone in your group to cast it for you. </p>
<p><b> Temp HP</b>
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<a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/aid" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aid</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/contagious-zeal" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">contagious zeal</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/divine-power" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">divine power</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/battle-trance" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Battle Trance</a> (half orc) </blockquote><p>Added links.
<p>As a reach cleric, I cannot realistically use a shield. [Reach weapons are all two-handed.]
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Some of these spells are nice, but the morale bonus does not stack with my inspiration, and thus makes the spells of little benefit.
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I do have a shield, but cannot use it much because I am always set up with my... </blockquote><p>Using a throwing buckler while casting, dropping it when you go into melee, eat the -1 to hit and switch back and forth as combat dictates, or shield brace with darkwood or mithrial are all options. Inspire is not morale it is competence only the save is morale.
<p>The spells don't stack with bless. You still get the Temp HP from aid and contagious zeal is a larger bonus so it is fine replacement. So, stacking is only really relevant if you have the heroism domain.</p>Cevah wrote:Grandlounge wrote:Sorry skimmed and did not see cleric. I'm going to just throw ideas at the wall feel free to ignore all of it.
Shield of darkness, sanctuary, grace are spells I use to keep out of harm's way with my evangelist.
There are more option at higher levels. Angelic Aspect, Righteous Might, Eaglesoul (small buffs to everything).
AC stuff
Sanctified Shield for when your not attacking channel is weak anyway.
Bone fist if it works for your group is ok.
Magic...Grandlounge2018-01-13T00:06:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Avoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#252018-01-12T23:57:12Z2018-01-12T23:57:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cevah wrote:</div><blockquote>So, is it better to use a 3rd level spell (Magic Vestment) or a 2nd level spell (Defending Bone)? I have few enough spells due to keeping one open at each level for emergencies.</blockquote><p>Actually, hour/level buffs like <i>magic vestment</i> and <i>defending bone</i> can work really well with the strategy of leaving spell slots open for emergencies. If you invest in a lesser metamagic rod of extend, each of those spells will last 16 hours, long enough that you can cast them the night before and leave the slot open when you prepare spells in the morning. That way, if no emergency comes up, you can just spend fifteen minutes to prepare and cast the spells again the next evening, continuing the following day just as before. And if you do need to prepare a spell in one of those empty slots throughout the day, all you need to do is prepare one fewer spell the next morning and you'll be right back on track.Cevah wrote:So, is it better to use a 3rd level spell (Magic Vestment) or a 2nd level spell (Defending Bone)? I have few enough spells due to keeping one open at each level for emergencies.
Actually, hour/level buffs like magic vestment and defending bone can work really well with the strategy of leaving spell slots open for emergencies. If you invest in a lesser metamagic rod of extend, each of those spells will last 16 hours, long enough that you can cast them the night before and leave...Avoron2018-01-12T23:57:12ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#242018-01-13T03:37:08Z2018-01-12T23:57:07Z<p>Shield Brace: allows a shield and a polearm/spear.</p>
<p>Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.</p>
<p>Make sure your shield has NO ACP as that affects your to hit rolls with this feat.</p>Shield Brace: allows a shield and a polearm/spear.
Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.
Make sure your shield has NO ACP as that affects your to hit rolls with this feat.graystone2018-01-12T23:57:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#232018-01-12T23:49:55Z2018-01-12T23:49:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Grandlounge wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Sorry skimmed and did not see cleric. I'm going to just throw ideas at the wall feel free to ignore all of it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/shield-of-darkness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shield of darkness</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/sanctuary" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">sanctuary</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/g/grace" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">grace</a> are spells I use to keep out of harm's way with my evangelist.</p>
<p>There are more option at higher levels. <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/angelic-aspect" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Angelic Aspect</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/r/righteous-might" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Righteous Might</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/eaglesoul" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Eaglesoul</a> (small buffs to everything).</p>
<p><b>AC stuff</b>
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<li> <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/goods-and-services/toys-games-puzzles/#TOC-Sanctified-Shield" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sanctified Shield</a> for when your not attacking channel is weak anyway.</p>
<p><li> <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/bone-fists" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bone fist</a> if it works for your group is ok.</p>
<p><li> Magic vestment again on a shield. </p>
<p>Spell storing armor with <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/frigid-touch" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">frigid touch</a> or <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/stricken-heart" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">stricken heart</a>. You will need someone in your group to cast it for you. </p>
<p><b> Temp HP</b>
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<a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/aid" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aid</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/contagious-zeal" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">contagious zeal</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/divine-power" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">divine power</a>, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/battle-trance" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Battle Trance</a> (half orc) </blockquote><p>Added links.
<p>As a reach cleric, I cannot realistically use a shield. [Reach weapons are all two-handed.]
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Some of these spells are nice, but the morale bonus does not stack with my inspiration, and thus makes the spells of little benefit.
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I do have a shield, but cannot use it much because I am always set up with my reach weapon.</p>
<p>Is there a feat that lets me use a shield without reducing my attack? Then I could probably use a buckler and get it enhanced.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>Grandlounge wrote:Sorry skimmed and did not see cleric. I'm going to just throw ideas at the wall feel free to ignore all of it.
Shield of darkness, sanctuary, grace are spells I use to keep out of harm's way with my evangelist.
There are more option at higher levels. Angelic Aspect, Righteous Might, Eaglesoul (small buffs to everything).
AC stuff
Sanctified Shield for when your not attacking channel is weak anyway.
Bone fist if it works for your group is ok.
Magic vestment again on a...Cevah2018-01-12T23:49:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Grandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#222018-01-12T23:11:38Z2018-01-12T23:11:38Z<p>Sorry skimmed and did not see cleric. I'm going to just throw ideas at the wall feel free to ignore all of it.</p>
<p>Shield of darkness, sanctuary, grace are spells I use to keep out of harm's way with my evangelist.</p>
<p>There are more option at higher levels. Angelic Aspect, Righteous Might, Eaglesoul (small buffs to everything).</p>
<p><b>AC stuff</b>
<br />
<li> Sanctified Shield for when your not attacking channel is weak anyway.</p>
<p><li> Bone fist if it works for your group is ok.</p>
<p><li> Magic vestment again on a shield. </p>
<p>Spell storing armor with frigid touch or stricken heart. You will need someone in your group to cast it for you. </p>
<p><b> Temp HP</b>
<br />
Aid, contagious zeal, divine power, Battle Trance (half orc)</p>Sorry skimmed and did not see cleric. I'm going to just throw ideas at the wall feel free to ignore all of it.
Shield of darkness, sanctuary, grace are spells I use to keep out of harm's way with my evangelist.
There are more option at higher levels. Angelic Aspect, Righteous Might, Eaglesoul (small buffs to everything).
AC stuff
Sanctified Shield for when your not attacking channel is weak anyway.
Bone fist if it works for your group is ok.
Magic vestment again on a shield.
Spell...Grandlounge2018-01-12T23:11:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#212018-01-12T22:42:29Z2018-01-12T22:42:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Grandlounge wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Most common damage type for natural attacks is B. Resinous skin, if you have access to it, is a better source of Dr it also debuff enemies with weapons and has no limit on damage. </p>
<p>If in combat healing occurs in you group or you are tight on healing resources ablative barrier may be better.</p>
<p>Both have there place. </p>
<p>Having access to layered defense is always the best option. Casters can often make Dr, miss chance and ac work in their favor. I always work toward a redundancy to protect myself. </blockquote><p>One problem with <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/r/resinous-skin" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Resinous skin</a> is the fact that it has no effect vs. natural attacks: <i>This spell has no effect on unarmed strikes or natural weapons.</i> For attacks that it blocks, DR 5/piercing is nice. Unfortunately, it is not on the cleric list.
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/stoneskin" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Stoneskin</a> at DR 10/adamantine, is even better, but is not on the cleric list.</p>
<p>Another non-cleric spell, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/mirror-image" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mirror Image</a> is nice, with ways of avoiding attacks. While I cannot get that, I can get <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/magic-vestment" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Magic Vestment</a>. This will get me +2 AC [vs. my current AC of 18]. Yeah, my AC sucks. But I am a reach cleric based on AoOs, so I am somewhat protected since someone else is usually closer to the enemy.</p>
<p>So, is it better to use a 3rd level spell (Magic Vestment) or a 2nd level spell (Defending Bone)? I have few enough spells due to keeping one open at each level for emergencies. I am also interested in magic items that can aid in mitigating damage or avoiding damage.</p>
<p>I also am a Evangelist Cleric, so I loose medium armor, and one domain. I do get the bard like inspiration, so that helps everybody. With the reach build, and 15 point buy, I am playing a MAD character. I know I won't be the DPR king, but I am satisfied to contribute. However, if I could not get hurt as much, I would not need to prep so many cure spells (not avail spon by archetype), nor use so many weaker channels.</p>
<p>Suggestions welcome.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>Grandlounge wrote:Most common damage type for natural attacks is B. Resinous skin, if you have access to it, is a better source of Dr it also debuff enemies with weapons and has no limit on damage.
If in combat healing occurs in you group or you are tight on healing resources ablative barrier may be better.
Both have there place.
Having access to layered defense is always the best option. Casters can often make Dr, miss chance and ac work in their favor. I always work toward a redundancy...Cevah2018-01-12T22:42:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?TOZ (alias of TriOmegaZero)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#202018-01-12T19:14:27Z2018-01-12T19:14:27Z<p>O.O</p>
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.>TOZ (alias of TriOmegaZero)2018-01-12T19:14:27ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Chess Pwnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#192018-01-12T19:14:08Z2018-01-12T19:14:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Viletta Vadim wrote:</div><blockquote> Generally, DR is most valuable against enemies that are the least relevant. Large numbers of relatively weak enemies making lots of attacks, which tend to also have relatively low defenses, making them more easily disabled by one good control spell. </blockquote><p>Well take a dragon, they have 6 attacks, if you had DR 5 that's 30 damage prevented which is like one attack.Viletta Vadim wrote:Generally, DR is most valuable against enemies that are the least relevant. Large numbers of relatively weak enemies making lots of attacks, which tend to also have relatively low defenses, making them more easily disabled by one good control spell.
Well take a dragon, they have 6 attacks, if you had DR 5 that's 30 damage prevented which is like one attack.Chess Pwn2018-01-12T19:14:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: How good is DR for a PC?Viletta Vadimhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2utjz?How-good-is-DR-for-a-PC#182018-01-12T19:09:25Z2018-01-12T19:09:25Z<p>Generally, DR is most valuable against enemies that are the least relevant. Large numbers of relatively weak enemies making lots of attacks, which tend to also have relatively low defenses, making them more easily disabled by one good control spell.</p>Generally, DR is most valuable against enemies that are the least relevant. Large numbers of relatively weak enemies making lots of attacks, which tend to also have relatively low defenses, making them more easily disabled by one good control spell.Viletta Vadim2018-01-12T19:09:25Z