Solo A Star Wars Story


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Yeah, there's probably something to that.

It's a shame though. I actually quite liked both Solo and Rogue One. "Unnecessary" though they might be. They did something of that variety in tone that Disney's done with the Marvel movies. Solo being like a heist flick in space, full of betrayal and double and triple crosses. Quite unlike the main story arc movies. Rogue One as well, though with less betrayal and more slaughter.


Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie of all time.

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Solo was a solid movie, there were certainly aspects I loved.
The femme fatale archetype not getting any kind of comeuppance on screen was really good. Films rarely let women get away with being morally ambiguous and maintain that ambiguity throughout a story, or be rewarded for such ambiguity. So that was grand.

I loved L3-37 (How many people have named their droid character's that in Star Wars RPGs), her droids rights stuff was fantastic. But then the movie really soured for me when they plugged her brain into the Falcon which I feel she explicitly would have hated. Now whenever I see the falcon I'm aware that there's a droid brain trapped in there. Which is just, I don't even know where to begin with how bad that is.

Lando was fantastic, his closet full of cloaks was super great.

Excising the whole "life debt" thing from Chewbacca is great, it just means they hang out because they're pals.

The guy who played Han was competent.

It was definitely a movie that happened.

At this point though, I'm probably not going to see anything other than mainline Star Wars movies in the cinema. Everytime Star Wars fills in another gap in the timeline, it feels like that universe shrinks a little more in my imagination.


Last I recall the Millenium Falcon had two droid brains working in it that didn't always get along. Whether that is current canon is another matter altogether.


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I loved L3-37 (How many people have named their droid character's that in Star Wars RPGs), her droids rights stuff was fantastic. But then the movie really soured for me when they plugged her brain into the Falcon which I feel she explicitly would have hated. Now whenever I see the falcon I'm aware that there's a droid brain trapped in there. Which is just, I don't even know where to begin with how bad that is.

I liked this because it made a one-liner in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK make a bit more sense ("Your ship has a most peculiar dialect").


Werthead wrote:
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I loved L3-37 (How many people have named their droid character's that in Star Wars RPGs), her droids rights stuff was fantastic. But then the movie really soured for me when they plugged her brain into the Falcon which I feel she explicitly would have hated. Now whenever I see the falcon I'm aware that there's a droid brain trapped in there. Which is just, I don't even know where to begin with how bad that is.
I liked this because it made a one-liner in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK make a bit more sense ("Your ship has a most peculiar dialect").

That's one of things that either was great or annoying about Solo, depending on my mood at the moment.

Too much of it was there to explain bits of weirdness from the old movies and for little other purpose.

I kind of agree with the dudemeister on this one, especially given the characterization of the L3-37. She might have been okay with it, assuming Lando kept the ship, but with it (and her) being immediately passed off to Han, that's a definite betrayal of her whole thing.


I really liked parts of rogue 1, and overall it ranks as number 3 after new hope and empire. But the whole marketing use of cut scenes still rankles. I got hyped for stuff that didn't happen, its hard to let go even though its standard Hollywood practice these days.

I really enjoyed Solo, more than I thought I would.

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get with TFA. The lack of originality is part of it, the other part is the I feel like I have to read a bunch of novels to get filler. In any new movie series, I wouldn't mind gaps in the narrative, but this is something I have extensive investment in and the gap between the Return of the Jedi and TFA feels too, WTF is going on moments.

I will be brief about TLJ. I hate it, for many reasons. It has amazing production values. If it was stand alone movie it would be more bearable. But its not, and the most noteworthy feature is it shows how poorly Lucasfilm planned out this Trilogy. Lucas didn't have the original trilogy planned out that much either, but somehow it worked.

This new trilogy doesn't work as a narrative. its like have Fellowship of the ring, then replacing the two towers with one of teh later Richard Rahl novels, and then bringing back Tolkien to write the conclusion to the the rahl saga after the mother confessor and Richard are both dead. Dogs breakfast?


I actually kinda liked this, right until the end.

Woody harilson (i know his character technically had a name but he's been woody harilson in every movie he's been in since cheers) had a case full of credits and needed a ride off the sandball.

The rebellion needed the credits and had a ride off the sandball.

Just give the guy a cut and off everyone goes happy.

Nope. need to make the ending depressing and have a han shoots first moment.


I rate "Solo: A Star Wars Story" 99/100. (-1 for no nudity.)

I hope they make the next one too.

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Grand Magus wrote:

I rate "Solo: A Star Wars Story" 99/100. (-1 for no nudity.)

I hope they make the next one too.

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And I'd rate it much closer to 1/100 :-(.

I borrowed a copy from the library and didn't finish watching it. That was how bored with the whole thing I was :-(.

Tastes vary. A lot :-(


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Grand Magus wrote:

I rate "Solo: A Star Wars Story" 99/100. (-1 for no nudity.)

I hope they make the next one too.

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I loved it too... though I didn't want there to be nudity :P

On that note... I hope they do NOT make another one. It filled in all the holes I want filled in. Covered all the points I was hoping to see... and I'm perfectly content going from Solo straight into New Hope and calling a day :D

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It was a dreadfull movie. Kinda glad it helped kill Star Wars for the forseeable future. Disney has made one bad call after another.


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Kinda glad it helped kill Star Wars for the forseeable future. Disney has made one bad call after another.

There's another movie out this year, there's no less than seven in varying stages of pre-production, there's three TV shows in production right now and a fourth greenlit in pre-production. There's multiple video games also currently in production. Disney are in profit on the 2012 purchase deal ahead of schedule.

Yes, Star Wars is a completely dead property and Disney must be crying themselves to sleep into their pillows full of money.


phantom1592 wrote:
Grand Magus wrote:

I rate "Solo: A Star Wars Story" 99/100. (-1 for no nudity.)

I hope they make the next one too.

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I loved it too... though I didn't want there to be nudity :P

...

Now, I'm wondering which system I should use to translate Solo: A Star Wars Story into an adventure Run.

The obvious system is the new-ish Star Wars RPG game, which peeps give
rave reviews of. But, I don't own it yet.

Here is a weird thought. I do own the modiphius Star Trek 2d20 core
rule book. Would it be weird to use that system an make an adventure of
a Star Wars movie? Yay... I don't know how Star Trek 2d20 would handle a light sabre.

?


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Why not adapt Starfinder?

--C.

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Psiphyre wrote:

Why not adapt Starfinder?

--C.

Don't want the argument about whether a Mystic or Solarion is the best model for a Jedi? :-)


pauljathome wrote:
Psiphyre wrote:

Why not adapt Starfinder?

--C.

Don't want the argument about whether a Mystic or Solarion is the best model for a Jedi? :-)

Hence why I bolded 'adapt' -- the GM's call on what's best for their game.

But, fair enough.
This is now getting off-topic, so I'm leaving it as the additional option it was meant to be regarding a non-Star Wars rule system to use to play out the movie.

-----Back on topic-----
While not perfect (& really, none of the new movies have quite captured that je ne sais quoi feeling of the first trilogy for me...), I quite enjoyed it!
Not looking for a sequel to it (& never really asked for a movie on Han's backstory to demystify the character's famed exploits), but I had fun watching it nonetheless.

Will watch the next Star Wars movie(s) that Disney'll be releasing from later this year.

As for others' views... <shrug>

Carry on!

--C.


Might be interesting to see a sequel that focused on some of the other characters. Dealing with Qi'ra and Maul or something.

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Hama wrote:
It was a dreadfull movie. Kinda glad it helped kill Star Wars for the forseeable future. Disney has made one bad call after another.

Oh, come on!

You’ve made comments like this before but it doesn’t make it true.

Star Wars is, and continues to be, an incredibly successful, popular, and lucrative franchise and in all likelihood will continue this trend for the foreseeable future.

In fact, I’ll say right here and now that I’ll bet Episode 9 will break box office records when it comes out.

You might not like these newer Star Wars movies, which is certainly your prerogative, but how about maybe laying off the uninformed, sky-is-falling proclamations ...


Grand Magus wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Grand Magus wrote:

I rate "Solo: A Star Wars Story" 99/100. (-1 for no nudity.)

I hope they make the next one too.

.

I loved it too... though I didn't want there to be nudity :P

...

Now, I'm wondering which system I should use to translate Solo: A Star Wars Story into an adventure Run.

The obvious system is the new-ish Star Wars RPG game, which peeps give
rave reviews of. But, I don't own it yet.

Here is a weird thought. I do own the modiphius Star Trek 2d20 core
rule book. Would it be weird to use that system an make an adventure of
a Star Wars movie? Yay... I don't know how Star Trek 2d20 would handle a light sabre.

?

.

In lieu of buying Star Wars RPG et al, I've decided on an attempt to morph the general
movie plot into a 'Shadowrun 5e' Run. We'll see what happens; of course, things can change.

Let's see... a SR5 Wookie...


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Honestly one of my favorite systems was the West End D6 Star Wars system. We had a LOT of fun with that game. Rather than adapt a lot to a new system, I recommend tracking down that.

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Marc Radle wrote:
Hama wrote:
It was a dreadfull movie. Kinda glad it helped kill Star Wars for the forseeable future. Disney has made one bad call after another.

Oh, come on!

You’ve made comments like this before but it doesn’t make it true.

Star Wars is, and continues to be, an incredibly successful, popular, and lucrative franchise and in all likelihood will continue this trend for the foreseeable future.

In fact, I’ll say right here and now that I’ll bet Episode 9 will break box office records when it comes out.

You might not like these newer Star Wars movies, which is certainly your prerogative, but how about maybe laying off the uninformed, sky-is-falling proclamations ...

You realize that Solo is a first, in Star Wars history, commercial flop?

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phantom1592 wrote:
Honestly one of my favorite systems was the West End D6 Star Wars system. We had a LOT of fun with that game. Rather than adapt a lot to a new system, I recommend tracking down that.

FFG just put out reprints of the first edition rulebook and Star War sourcebook in one package.

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Hama wrote:


You realize that Solo is a first, in Star Wars history, commercial flop?

But you have to remember, Disney had to film this movie twice because of the director drama. Doubling the cost. Hard to make your money back and make a good profit with that going on.


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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Honestly one of my favorite systems was the West End D6 Star Wars system. We had a LOT of fun with that game. Rather than adapt a lot to a new system, I recommend tracking down that.
FFG just put out reprints of the first edition rulebook and Star War sourcebook in one package.

Available at Barnes and Noble. :-)

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Just watched Solo yesterday. I thought it was pretty good, but a little too long. This film definitely suffered from TLJ hangover at the boxoffice. I do wish they would keep the aesthetics of Rouge One going in all the SW films though.


Hama wrote:
You realize that Solo is a first, in Star Wars history, commercial flop?

In the cinema, yes, but with media releases and streaming rights it will - just - break even.

Solo underperforming for reasons that were, to some extent, expected (the May release date in particular) was disappointing to Disney, but not fatal to the franchise. If it had been, they would not be making multiple new movies and TV series.


Solo had multiple issues with it that led to poor performance. The thing that struck me before hand was a very lacklustre marketing campaign pre release. whether this happened because of the tight reshoot schedule limiting trailers..or whether Lucasfilm was on autopilot, or whether the divisive reaction of some fans to the TLJ made a coherent marketing campaign impossible, or the cost of the reshoots had reduced the marketing budget..who knows.

Anyway, it landed dead on arrival. I saw it opening day in mid afternoon and there were 5 people in a theatre that can hold 330. I expected a fan boycott due to the TLJ but I think it was rather joe public either didn't care or didn't know about it (i.e. lame marketing).

I have watched it twice on Netflix this month to see how it stood up to my original feelings. Overall, I like parts of the movie, and am bored by parts of the movie. I think this reflects how this movie has developed. It was a series of set pieces (like the train scene) that someone then strung a lame plot through. My favorite part of the movie is the Kessel Run. I hated the first 10 minutes. Its feels very uneven to me.

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Interesting that you liked the kessel run. I was really disappointed myself. I always imagined it was some sort of illegal space race, or at least a dangerous smugglers run. Turns out its just a mining colony in a crappy sector of space.

I will say that kicking back and not being too overcritical allowed me to enjoy Solo. Though, if this was also supposed to be a birth of the rebellion story, it sucked in that manner.


captain yesterday wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Honestly one of my favorite systems was the West End D6 Star Wars system. We had a LOT of fun with that game. Rather than adapt a lot to a new system, I recommend tracking down that.
FFG just put out reprints of the first edition rulebook and Star War sourcebook in one package.
Available at Barnes and Noble. :-)

.

Ok, I will look at it. However, I'm partial to Edge of the Empire RPG (I think that's its title)
because fellow GM's have directly told me the dice mechanics are awesome.

If my attempt to make a Shadowrun 5e Run, out of Solo's movie plot, turns too cyberpunk,
then I'll fall back on a "real" Star Wars RPG.

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Finally saw this.

L337 stole the movie.

Like it more than I thought I would but it was a bit slow. I am not a big han solo fan though.

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