paizo.com Recent Posts in Best Archer Classpaizo.com Recent Posts in Best Archer Class2017-12-25T06:27:36Z2017-12-25T06:27:36ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassChilderic, The Shatterer (alias of james knowles)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#452017-12-30T06:24:08Z2017-12-30T06:24:08Z<p>Marksman (Ultimate Psionics from Dreamscarred Press), even better if you can fit in the Mystic Archer Prestige class from the same book.</p>Marksman (Ultimate Psionics from Dreamscarred Press), even better if you can fit in the Mystic Archer Prestige class from the same book.Childeric, The Shatterer (alias of james knowles)2017-12-30T06:24:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassGrandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#442017-12-29T20:37:29Z2017-12-29T20:37:29Z<p>Eagle domain.</p>Eagle domain.Grandlounge2017-12-29T20:37:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer Class666benderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#432017-12-29T20:34:55Z2017-12-29T20:34:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PhD. Okkam wrote:</div><blockquote><p> inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer/Green Marshal) :
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1. Tons of skills
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2. Very nice spells (fly, overland flight)
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3. Able to study and Sneak attack
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4. Slayer Talents!
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5. bane ability!
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6. Animal and terrain domain. Familiar eagle and half level to attacks 5 plus times a day.
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7.Teamwork Feat</p>
<p>I want to make myself such an archer. </blockquote><p>How do you get fly and overland flight ?PhD. Okkam wrote:inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer/Green Marshal) :
1. Tons of skills
2. Very nice spells (fly, overland flight)
3. Able to study and Sneak attack
4. Slayer Talents!
5. bane ability!
6. Animal and terrain domain. Familiar eagle and half level to attacks 5 plus times a day.
7.Teamwork FeatI want to make myself such an archer.
How do you get fly and overland flight ?666bender2017-12-29T20:34:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer Classedmondlebeauhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#422017-12-29T17:49:54Z2017-12-29T17:49:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Isonaroc wrote:</div><blockquote> I have no idea where they fall in the hierarchy, but Paladins can be absolute monsters with a bow. </blockquote><p>Late game, Shelyn Paladins and Insinuator Antipaladins are among the strongest. Saddle Surge, High Charisma... Smite evil... Ouch. Unsanctioned Knowledge to get Divine Power from Inquisitors.
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But for level 10 with regular stats, I think other classes are way better.</p>Isonaroc wrote:I have no idea where they fall in the hierarchy, but Paladins can be absolute monsters with a bow.
Late game, Shelyn Paladins and Insinuator Antipaladins are among the strongest. Saddle Surge, High Charisma... Smite evil... Ouch. Unsanctioned Knowledge to get Divine Power from Inquisitors.
But for level 10 with regular stats, I think other classes are way better.edmondlebeau2017-12-29T17:49:54ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassKapaaIanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#412017-12-28T15:39:47Z2017-12-28T15:39:47Z<p>True Neutral or Neutral Good Elemental Urban Bloodrager/Arcane Archer </p>
<p>It does pretty well on feats (especially if human), you just want to retrain Weapon Focus at level 6 onto your Bloodline feat. You get a big bonus to Dex, a fly speed when raging once you have 8 levels of bloodrager, Full BAB, casting, ability to change your arrow enchantments daily, including alignment ones at high level.</p>
<p>Very versatile, hard to kill, hits well, hits hard. You can get Holy on your bow, then daily change your imbued enchantment between Anarchic or Axiomatic. Extra 4D6 per arrow (plus flaming/icy/shocking burst).</p>True Neutral or Neutral Good Elemental Urban Bloodrager/Arcane Archer
It does pretty well on feats (especially if human), you just want to retrain Weapon Focus at level 6 onto your Bloodline feat. You get a big bonus to Dex, a fly speed when raging once you have 8 levels of bloodrager, Full BAB, casting, ability to change your arrow enchantments daily, including alignment ones at high level.
Very versatile, hard to kill, hits well, hits hard. You can get Holy on your bow, then daily change...KapaaIan2017-12-28T15:39:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassMarc Radlehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#402017-12-28T14:47:11Z2017-12-28T14:47:11Z<p>Great topic! I've always loved archers!!!</p>
<p>For those that allow third party material, you might check out the <b>Mystic Archer class</b> in the <a href="http://paizo.com/products/btpy9xj5/reviews?New-Paths-Compendium-Expanded-Edition#tabs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>New Paths Compendium</b></a></p>Great topic! I've always loved archers!!!
For those that allow third party material, you might check out the Mystic Archer class in the New Paths CompendiumMarc Radle2017-12-28T14:47:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassPhD. Okkamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#392017-12-28T14:31:58Z2017-12-28T14:31:58Z<p>inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer/Green Marshal) :
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1. Tons of skills
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2. Very nice spells (fly, overland flight)
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3. Able to study and Sneak attack
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4. Slayer Talents!
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5. bane ability!
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6. Animal and terrain domain. Familiar eagle and half level to attacks 5 plus times a day.
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7.Teamwork Feat</p>
<p>I want to make myself such an archer.</p>inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer/Green Marshal) :
1. Tons of skills
2. Very nice spells (fly, overland flight)
3. Able to study and Sneak attack
4. Slayer Talents!
5. bane ability!
6. Animal and terrain domain. Familiar eagle and half level to attacks 5 plus times a day.
7.Teamwork Feat
I want to make myself such an archer.PhD. Okkam2017-12-28T14:31:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassBearserkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#382017-12-28T12:30:24Z2017-12-28T12:23:09Z<p>Someone mentioned a Wood Oracle?
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I'm sure it's not the best but great for a face and quite powerful.</p>
<p>Thx to the Wood Bond Revelation it can get a permanent competence bonus on attacks and can choose the best Cleric spells as a full caster.</p>
<p>And if someone don't like the rest of the Wood Mystery choose a better archetyp like Spirit Guide.</p>
<p>And i would suggest a Half-elf with the Weapon Familiarity racial trait for the Bows and 2 other martial weapons without spending a feat.</p>Someone mentioned a Wood Oracle?
I'm sure it's not the best but great for a face and quite powerful.
Thx to the Wood Bond Revelation it can get a permanent competence bonus on attacks and can choose the best Cleric spells as a full caster.
And if someone don't like the rest of the Wood Mystery choose a better archetyp like Spirit Guide.
And i would suggest a Half-elf with the Weapon Familiarity racial trait for the Bows and 2 other martial weapons without spending a feat.Bearserk2017-12-28T12:23:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassIsonarochttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#372017-12-28T10:25:55Z2017-12-28T10:25:55Z<p>I have no idea where they fall in the hierarchy, but Paladins can be absolute monsters with a bow.</p>I have no idea where they fall in the hierarchy, but Paladins can be absolute monsters with a bow.Isonaroc2017-12-28T10:25:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassYuukalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#362017-12-28T09:21:30Z2017-12-28T09:21:30Z<p>Slayer's sneak attack isn't that great if you don't have a way of realiably apply it to all your attacks. That's why I insist on multiclassing him with Magus 6 for Prescient Attack.</p>Slayer's sneak attack isn't that great if you don't have a way of realiably apply it to all your attacks. That's why I insist on multiclassing him with Magus 6 for Prescient Attack.Yuukale2017-12-28T09:21:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer Class666benderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#352017-12-28T13:15:29Z2017-12-28T08:02:07Z<p>also :
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Minstrel Bards:
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1. Great skills
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2. Great spells
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3. no cover from allies (archer's biggest issue)
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4. super party buffer (so all love them deeply) .
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5. great entry to arcane archer
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6. only 1 bonus feat.
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7. no improve precise shot hurts. </p>
<p>Nature Fang Druid :
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1. great feats.
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2. early entry
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3. animal companion
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4. full, 9 level caster (WOW)
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5. off summoner supreme.
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6. decent skills.
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7. can trade AC for more spells like fire domain.
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8. less damage - a lot more options. </p>
<p>Warpriest:
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1. best, fastest self buffer in the game
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2. good damage
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3. good feats (and some are fighter only)
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4. can do other things.
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5. lowest skills ever. </p>
<p>inquisitor :
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1. super skills
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2. nice spells.
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3. there is a team feat to remove cover from allies.
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4. have bane abiliy....</p>also :
Minstrel Bards:
1. Great skills
2. Great spells
3. no cover from allies (archer's biggest issue)
4. super party buffer (so all love them deeply) .
5. great entry to arcane archer
6. only 1 bonus feat.
7. no improve precise shot hurts.
Nature Fang Druid :
1. great feats.
2. early entry
3. animal companion
4. full, 9 level caster (WOW)
5. off summoner supreme.
6. decent skills.
7. can trade AC for more spells like fire domain.
8. less damage - a lot more options.
Warpriest:
1. best,...666bender2017-12-28T08:02:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassSecanehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#342018-02-26T21:45:12Z2017-12-28T04:57:24Z<p>Just a quick re-post of a previous reply of mine to this same topic.
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•Added update on Advanced Weapon Training and Advanced Armor Training!</p>
<p>ALL archers (fighters, rangers, slayers, zen archers, etc) are POWERFUL damage dealers.</p>
<p>It really is more about what you want out of your archer.</p>
<p>Fighters - More consistent damage output, just pure damage
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And LOTS OF OPTIONS, Thanks to Advanced Weapon Training and Advanced Armor Training.
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1) More consistent to hits (due to weapon training)
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2) Higher static damage (due to weapon training)
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3) Tons of feats
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4) Overall more armor (thanks to armor training)
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5) Not afraid to wear heavier armor
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6) You are always at max possible strength, aka no need to spend time on buffing etc. You are always ready to start shooting
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7) less overall skills
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8) Able to handle most foes with the right feats
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9) Advanced Weapon Training and Advanced Armor Training(!!!!) These 2 made Fighter SO MUCH MORE BETTER NOW!!!
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You can have skills, cool combat abilities and even out of combat abilities. All to give this class so much more options.</p>
<p>Ranger - More than just damage
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1) Earlier access to some feats via combat styles (Improved Precise Shot,etc)
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2) Good against specific enemy types
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3) Spells! + buffing
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4) Tons of skills
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5) Tons of out of combat and in combat class features (tracking, etc)
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6) More self-dependent (able to spell heal of of combat, etc)
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7) May need to spend time buffing for more damage (gravity bow, etc)
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8) Spells are unfortunately limited in supply.</p>
<p>Slayer - Ranger with no spells, but more damage output
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1) Earlier access to some feats via combat styles (Improved Precise Shot, etc)
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2) Able to study aka add damage to any enemy
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3) Sneak attack = more damage
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4) Tons of skills
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5) Slayer Talents!
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6) Plenty of out of combat and combat class features
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7) No spells when compared to the ranger
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8) Able to handle most foes. Just like a fighter</p>
<p>Zen Archer (Monk) - A LOT of arrows in the air!
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1) More arrows when full-round (flurry) attacking
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2) Lots of archery feats given for free!
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3) Nice monk class features
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4) Nice amount of skills
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5) Less static damage per shot, but lots of arrows
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6) Abundant Step(!)
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7) Able to pull off shots other classes can't
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8) Good saves
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9) Ki is a powerful, but also limited resource</p>
<p>As you can see archery comes in every flavor. There are very few cons, it REALLY is just what YOU want!</p>Just a quick re-post of a previous reply of mine to this same topic.
*Added update on Advanced Weapon Training and Advanced Armor Training!
ALL archers (fighters, rangers, slayers, zen archers, etc) are POWERFUL damage dealers.
It really is more about what you want out of your archer.
Fighters - More consistent damage output, just pure damage
And LOTS OF OPTIONS, Thanks to Advanced Weapon Training and Advanced Armor Training.
1) More consistent to hits (due to weapon training)
2) Higher...Secane2017-12-28T04:57:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer Classekibushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#332017-12-28T04:18:08Z2017-12-28T04:18:08Z<p>Personally I have a level 10 inquisitor (sanctified slayer) I would put him up there for archer. He went feather domain and has a velociraptor, start of each combat he casts divine favor on himself and the raptor and the raptor goes in with a pounce +14 to hit 1d6+12, 2 claws +14 1d4+12 and never sure if the talons get added for 2 more attacks 1d8+12. After that it is my turn. Allies dont provide soft cover to the enemy, I have a +1 seeking composite longbow which I enchant to make it +2. I am typically hitting with 20/20/15 with a +2 variable not counting bane I have manyshot and clustered shot already...so each arrow does 1d8+15. If I want something dead I will spring bane to get it around 22/22/17 and 1d8+17+2d6...once per day if need be go invisibility greater to add 2d6 sneak attack for each arrow...all while the velociraptor is gnawing on their leg. Not to mention +18 knowledge (arcana/dungeon/nature/planes/religion) +27 perception +20 sense motive and +21 survival. Really add in resist energy communal (honestly save a few parties) invisibility purge, resto lesser, knowck etc he covers a bit more than the bow too</p>Personally I have a level 10 inquisitor (sanctified slayer) I would put him up there for archer. He went feather domain and has a velociraptor, start of each combat he casts divine favor on himself and the raptor and the raptor goes in with a pounce +14 to hit 1d6+12, 2 claws +14 1d4+12 and never sure if the talons get added for 2 more attacks 1d8+12. After that it is my turn. Allies dont provide soft cover to the enemy, I have a +1 seeking composite longbow which I enchant to make it +2. I...ekibus2017-12-28T04:18:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassName Violationhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#322017-12-27T14:53:30Z2017-12-27T14:53:30Z<p>I like multhuni warpriest.
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Be a samsaran and add gravity bow and a few other spells to your list and use ahornbow</p>I like multhuni warpriest.
Be a samsaran and add gravity bow and a few other spells to your list and use ahornbowName Violation2017-12-27T14:53:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassGrandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#312017-12-28T09:55:32Z2017-12-27T13:56:30Z<p>I went for eagle having a protector familiar, and evasion made the character tougher so I could work a higher Dex higher wis stat array. I was playing a skin walker so I had a +6 to perception from race stuff right out the gate. </p>
<p>I also had access to overland flight which was fantastic. With my 9 uses of 1/2 level to accuracy my manyshot rarely misses. </p>
<p>I had an animal mask to get sent to use pharamon arrows, in addition to predator lenses. </p>
<p>At higher levels throw up echolocation, have your familiar obscuring mist above the target and rain down arrows.</p>
<p>If you have to move you can use stone discus to get more than one attack that round and still use many of your ranged feats. </p>
<p>Burrowing shot was my level 13 feat. Now I can use archery to buff spells or spells to buff archery.</p>
<p>I love this build. As said it does not top the dpr but is respectable, gets manyshot before the majority 3/4th bab builds. </p>
<p>Of the spell casting feats heighten, quicken, and divine interference help.</p>I went for eagle having a protector familiar, and evasion made the character tougher so I could work a higher Dex higher wis stat array. I was playing a skin walker so I had a +6 to perception from race stuff right out the gate.
I also had access to overland flight which was fantastic. With my 9 uses of 1/2 level to accuracy my manyshot rarely misses.
I had an animal mask to get sent to use pharamon arrows, in addition to predator lenses.
At higher levels throw up echolocation, have your...Grandlounge2017-12-27T13:56:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer Class666benderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#302017-12-27T12:39:29Z2017-12-27T12:39:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PhD. Okkam wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Grandlounge wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Domain would be either eagle or feather.</p>
<p>Full 9th level casting, great dcs, either a familiar and half level to attacks 7 plus times a day, or an animal companion and the amazing perception.
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</blockquote>I wonder what will be better? </blockquote><p>if small size race, a mauler familiar, WOW spells , evasion mean eagle is great.
<p>if medium race- than take Feather for a Roc combat mount. he grab - you shoot.</p>PhD. Okkam wrote:Grandlounge wrote:
Domain would be either eagle or feather.Full 9th level casting, great dcs, either a familiar and half level to attacks 7 plus times a day, or an animal companion and the amazing perception.
I wonder what will be better? if small size race, a mauler familiar, WOW spells , evasion mean eagle is great. if medium race- than take Feather for a Roc combat mount. he grab - you shoot.666bender2017-12-27T12:39:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassPhD. Okkamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#292017-12-27T12:06:27Z2017-12-27T12:06:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Grandlounge wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Domain would be either eagle or feather.</p>
<p>Full 9th level casting, great dcs, either a familiar and half level to attacks 7 plus times a day, or an animal companion and the amazing perception.
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</blockquote><p>I wonder what will be better?Grandlounge wrote:Domain would be either eagle or feather.Full 9th level casting, great dcs, either a familiar and half level to attacks 7 plus times a day, or an animal companion and the amazing perception.
I wonder what will be better?PhD. Okkam2017-12-27T12:06:27ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassSlim Jimhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#282017-12-28T09:53:13Z2017-12-27T04:41:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Groundhog wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">edmondlebeau wrote:</div><blockquote> I agree with what you say but look at the title : Best Archer Class. This is where you are right now. I have to go to level 20. </blockquote>No you don't. For most purposes, being good at level 20 doesn't mean anything. If there was a class that was commoner from level 1-19, but at level 20 it gained all the powers of all the other classes combined, it'd still be the worst pc class for archery. </blockquote><p>And that's I always multiclass martials to front-load the good stuff (see link in my last post up-page). Enjoy your character at all levels.
<p>Nothing sucks worse than slogging along endlessly to get to the good stuff, and then the game gets canceled.</p>Groundhog wrote:edmondlebeau wrote: I agree with what you say but look at the title : Best Archer Class. This is where you are right now. I have to go to level 20.
No you don't. For most purposes, being good at level 20 doesn't mean anything. If there was a class that was commoner from level 1-19, but at level 20 it gained all the powers of all the other classes combined, it'd still be the worst pc class for archery. And that's I always multiclass martials to front-load the good stuff (see...Slim Jim2017-12-27T04:41:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassGrandloungehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#272017-12-27T12:04:32Z2017-12-27T03:23:45Z<p>There are better options for dpr but if you want the "best archer character" I would suggest is a nature fang druid. </p>
<p>Domain would be either eagle or feather.</p>
<p>Full 9th level casting, great dcs, either a familiar and half level to attacks 7 plus times a day, or an animal companion and the amazing perception. </p>
<p>It is a very different answer than you are looking for, but maybe you will consider it.</p>There are better options for dpr but if you want the "best archer character" I would suggest is a nature fang druid.
Domain would be either eagle or feather.
Full 9th level casting, great dcs, either a familiar and half level to attacks 7 plus times a day, or an animal companion and the amazing perception.
It is a very different answer than you are looking for, but maybe you will consider it.Grandlounge2017-12-27T03:23:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassYuukalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#262017-12-27T02:00:49Z2017-12-27T02:00:49Z<p>Can I suggest Eldritch Archer Magus/Slayer? With Prescient Arcana he gets to deal Slayer's SA damage on a full attack. He also gets extra damage with Ranged Spellstrike. That's gotta put him at the top.</p>Can I suggest Eldritch Archer Magus/Slayer? With Prescient Arcana he gets to deal Slayer's SA damage on a full attack. He also gets extra damage with Ranged Spellstrike. That's gotta put him at the top.Yuukale2017-12-27T02:00:49ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassGroundhoghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#252017-12-26T21:40:32Z2017-12-26T21:40:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">edmondlebeau wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I agree with what you say but look at the title : Best Archer Class. This is where you are right now. I have to go to level 20.
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</blockquote><p>No you don't. For most purposes, being good at level 20 doesn't mean anything. If there was a class that was commoner from level 1-19, but at level 20 it gained all the powers of all the other classes combined, it'd still be the worst pc class for archery.edmondlebeau wrote:I agree with what you say but look at the title : Best Archer Class. This is where you are right now. I have to go to level 20.
No you don't. For most purposes, being good at level 20 doesn't mean anything. If there was a class that was commoner from level 1-19, but at level 20 it gained all the powers of all the other classes combined, it'd still be the worst pc class for archery.Groundhog2017-12-26T21:40:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#242017-12-26T21:48:06Z2017-12-26T21:19:38Z<p>I believe the DPR calculation in Chess Pwn's thread predates the existence of the "Trappings of the Warrior" panoply, the use of which would increase the DPR of the Occultist -less noticeable at level 10, though your accuracy boost from the full-BAB patch is going to help your DPR there, more noticeable at levels 6&7 and levels 11&12.</p>
<p>Which is not to say that you're the best, but you're definitely passable. You're definitely BY FAR the most magical of the full-BAB archers, which is always a good thing. You also get way more Bane than Inquisitors do, which might matter if your adventuring days skew long.</p>I believe the DPR calculation in Chess Pwn's thread predates the existence of the "Trappings of the Warrior" panoply, the use of which would increase the DPR of the Occultist -less noticeable at level 10, though your accuracy boost from the full-BAB patch is going to help your DPR there, more noticeable at levels 6&7 and levels 11&12.
Which is not to say that you're the best, but you're definitely passable. You're definitely BY FAR the most magical of the full-BAB archers, which is always a...PossibleCabbage2017-12-26T21:19:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer Classedmondlebeauhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#232017-12-26T20:58:23Z2017-12-26T20:58:23Z<p>I agree with what you say but look at the title : Best Archer Class. This is where you are right now. I have to go to level 20.</p>I agree with what you say but look at the title : Best Archer Class. This is where you are right now. I have to go to level 20.edmondlebeau2017-12-26T20:58:23ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassSaldivenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#222017-12-28T15:02:15Z2017-12-26T20:04:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">edmondlebeau wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Comparing classes by going to level 20 is absolutely necessary if you want to rank them.
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Casting Divine Power and Channel Vigor is not crazy for a Warpriest. </blockquote><p>It's "absolutely necessary" to compare a character level that very few games ever achieve? And, even if they do achieve it, maybe 10% of the entire campaign (and probably less than 5%) by actual playing time is actually played at that level?
<p>To me, comparing classes at level 20 is a complete waste of time. Also, positing hypothetical situations where a character always has exactly the right set of consumable resources and the appropriate amount of time to utilize them pre-fight is kind of absurd, too.</p>
<p>When comparing classes, I'm interested in circumstances that are actually likely to come up in game on a regular basis.</p>
<p>The scenario you're describing as a basis for comparison is irrelevant to the VAST majority of players whose games cap out somewhere between levels 10-15.</p>edmondlebeau wrote:Comparing classes by going to level 20 is absolutely necessary if you want to rank them.
Casting Divine Power and Channel Vigor is not crazy for a Warpriest.
It's "absolutely necessary" to compare a character level that very few games ever achieve? And, even if they do achieve it, maybe 10% of the entire campaign (and probably less than 5%) by actual playing time is actually played at that level? To me, comparing classes at level 20 is a complete waste of time. Also,...Saldiven2017-12-26T20:04:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Best Archer ClassPhD. Okkamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2usn2?Best-Archer-Class#212017-12-26T19:27:46Z2017-12-26T19:25:02Z<p>the archer's medium, too, was forgotten, not so bad</p>
<p>UMD buffs it is better to remove from the comparison, this is not a sign of the class</p>the archer's medium, too, was forgotten, not so bad
UMD buffs it is better to remove from the comparison, this is not a sign of the classPhD. Okkam2017-12-26T19:25:02Z