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Something occurs to me about connections between Rovagug and the Devourer. The networking of the three deities into Triune seems to have happened just after the Gap. There have apparently been thousands of years of interplanetary civilisation between the Gap and Pathfinder. It's almost as if there was some reason this didn't happen earlier, and some sudden urgency to gain more of a presence out among the stars. Hmmm...

Suppose the events of the Gap (and the possible sealing-away of Rovagug and Golarion in some pocket universe or parallel dimension) stirred the Devourer's attentions*? Suppose Triune and the Signal is a direct response to that threat, making a civilization that could withstand the Devourer at least possible? And since that gambit comes at the expense of disturbing -- on however small a scale -- the boundaries between planes, suppose this is all coming at the risk of angering some other cosmic force hostile to the existence of Drift technology? After all the CRB alludes to at least one alien system with prior knowledge of the Drift that now refuses to use it because of past calamities.

(* Or something more esoteric could have happened, like the universe-editing process that created the Gap also retroactively weaving some of Rovagug's traits into the wider universe, making "the Devourer" a relatively newborn manifestation of the same old impulse. But let's go with that first assumption, since there are hints that forces like the Cult of the Devourer have been around a long time.)


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After all the CRB alludes to at least one alien system with prior knowledge of the Drift that now refuses to use it because of past calamities.

Ruh-Roh Raggy?!?!?! I missed this. Where did you see that? That's an important bit of fluff.


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pithica42 wrote:
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After all the CRB alludes to at least one alien system with prior knowledge of the Drift that now refuses to use it because of past calamities.
Ruh-Roh Raggy?!?!?! I missed this. Where did you see that? That's an important bit of fluff.

It's hinted at in the throw-away description of Lausill on p. 462. Pretty easy to miss.

(It's also ambiguous. It actually says Lausill is home to "several advanced aquatic civilizations . . . [who] have little interest in spaceflight or Drift travel, due to legends surrounding an ancient accident.")


Metaphysician wrote:
As for people older than the Gap, sure, such are possible. They are just going to be singular and rare, since extremely few beings native to the Prime Material are going to be old enough for it to happen. Your mainly talking some *especially* ancient undead.

I'm pretty sure some of the Bone Sages of Eox have been around since the original catastrophe.


The Bone Sages presumably would have found any memories they had of Golarion -- or related to it -- edited too. This may not discomfit them too much, most of the other planets had their own thing pretty much going on independent of Golarion and they all would have mostly kept their histories.

[EDIT: I guess not. @Shinigami02 is right, "along with all memories of an indeterminate number of years." So that should have stirred up quite the hornet's nest pretty much everyhwere. Kind of a conundrum, though. How, then, is there any memory of the times when, say, Akiton dominated the pre-Drift thasteron trade, which are referred to in the CRB?]


Except the Gap didn't just wipe information about Golarion. It wiped the entire time period just in general, whether you'd ever heard of Golarion or not. Golarion's disappearance is a part of the Gap, not the entirety of it.


Post edited because as regards memories at least, it seems you're right. But what about records? Were all records for all planets wiped too from those several millennia, or just Golarion's?


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It's all* contextual data from all data sources on every planet (and plane), presumably everywhere. The borders are fuzzy, being off by a few years or a few decades depending on where you are. It appears that the Kasatha homeworld, for example, goes back about 100 extra years compared to the Pact Worlds. Basically "hard" data is fine, but anything that gives that data context is gone.

*There appear to be rare random exceptions, usually small and only governing very small periods of time over very localized areas (like a single account ledger for a single company for a single quarter) but nothing seems to connect them.


It seems that some think that the Gap was an event that lasted fpr millenia but the truth is that it was a very sudden and very short event. In just one minute several millenia of history were gone. And with it all the knowledge about what happened to many deities. And this happened nearly everywhere but a different times (but also always before they made contact with other affected worlds).

Not all gods not mentioned in the CRB are dead. It might be that they were simply forgotten or are not worshipped in the Pact Worlds anymore.

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PaladinDemo wrote:

Pg. 506 Starfinder Core, Pathfinder Legacy

"Among the strongest dwarven traditions is the Quest for Sky, a belief that Torag commanded his people to leave their underground homes on Golarion and fight a generations long war to reach the surface. While many dwarves feel the Quest for Sky was fulfilled, some explore far from the Pact Worlds in belief that the original journey was only the first stage of the quest and that Torag now wants them to find some specific alien sky for which they're destined."

Granted, since dwarves are quite traditionally minded, just because Torag no longer answers prayers/isn't present doesn't mean they don't honor his dogma. The original Divine Mandate of the Quest for Sky was given millenia ago on Golarion. Torag did not actively facilitate it after the fact, and the desire to continue with it is all based on interpretation. The emphasis for the continuation of the Quest is on the word "believe." They think Torag would want them to keep reaching for distant new horizons, but this is more conjecture. Since he's not around to correct them (nor would he, since sectarian divisions have occurred among the divine before, see the Cult of the Dawnflower as an example), they just keep on trucking and hoping they'll eventually fulfill some unspecified destiny.


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Barbarossa Rotbart wrote:
It seems that some think that the Gap was an event that lasted fpr millenia but the truth is that it was a very sudden and very short event. In just one minute several millenia of history were gone.

To be clear, since I don't think I was earlier, I think this is the most workable reading of the Gap as an event.

People living during and through what we call the Gap probably didn't notice anything amiss. They lived their lives, had history, wars, family, jobs, knew what was going on with their deities, et cetera. For a person living in the present for those X-thousand years history and memory all worked fine. But at the end of it (from our perspective), all the contextual/historical data for several millennia worth of history just disappeared.

The garbage collection or system reboot or whatever caused the memory loss occurred at different times in different places. The data loss goes back further in time in some places than in others. It also missed a few random things in random places that anyone dedicated can find. But there isn't enough of these puzzle pieces to form a narrative structure for the Gap as a whole or provide definitive answers for what happened for any of the major events that probably/certainly occurred during this period.

Either the gods/immortals were affected the same as everyone else, or they all agreed/were forced to never tell what happened. I tend to prefer the former explanation, since even forensic molecular data appears to have been corrupted, but that's just me.

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