Cleric spell list


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Is there any way a Cleric can get access to different type of spells besides selecting domains and dipping into other classes? I ask this because there spell list is not as spectacular as some other classes.


Are you sure you want to play a cleric? Oracles and witches (consider hedge witch) get some built-in access to other spell lists. Samsarans with mystic past life can add a few healing and status removal spells, even to a wizard.

The Exchange

Some archetypes like the Ecclisitheurge expand their spells through different domains. It's more like a wizard.


SheepishEidolon wrote:
Are you sure you want to play a cleric? Oracles and witches (consider hedge witch) get some built-in access to other spell lists. Samsarans with mystic past life can add a few healing and status removal spells, even to a wizard.

Interesting, is an Oracle as good or better than a Cleric? By better I mean spell selection.

The Exchange

They use the same spell list but got a list of spells through their Mysteries.
If you wanna blast choose a Flame Oracle. If you wanna be more like a Druid choose Nature.
The Spirit Guide Archetype gives you the option to change a second list of spells each day.


Id like to have full access to the wizard spell list and be able to cast cleric spells (like the shaman can through arcane enlightenment for wizard spells and human favored class bonus for cleric spells). Is there anything that offers that?


Mystic Theurge?

The wizard spell list is the most powerful thing in the game. You aren't going to get access to that easily.


Shaman OP ftw


I may have found something http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/archetypes/paizo-oracle -archetypes/spirit-guide/

Or maybe http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/elf/ancient-lorekeeper-oracle-elf/

The Exchange

Good choice.

Remember that a Half-elf can easily take the Ancient Lorekeeper too so you can use a higher Charisma.


Is there any way to switch that charisma to Wisdom? Or do I now just settle for a 10 Wis and max out my Cha? Its too bad Charisma isn't as good as Int or Wis in this system.


So your thing is you want to be able to cast all of the wizard and cleric spells?

That's just not going to happen, though there are options to get a limited selection from either and have 1 main one.

What exactly do you want from the cleric list?


Claxon wrote:

So your thing is you want to be able to cast all of the wizard and cleric spells?

That's just not going to happen, though there are options to get a limited selection from either and have 1 main one.

What exactly do you want from the cleric list?

Not the entire list but certain spells I like on the cleric list that an Oracle can't use but a Wizard can ie Chains of Light, unfortunately neither an Oracle or Wizard can cast Hallucinogenic Smoke, only a cleric and witch can. Mostly would like some survivability spells (ie mirror image) and save or die (ie. Hold monster, chains of light)with some potent control spells (black tentacles, slow, stinking cloud) and just some all around awesome spells like Emergency force sphere.

Cleric specific spells Shield of Faith, Silence, Aura of Doom, Debilitating Portent and there are others


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Atalius wrote:

I may have found something http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/archetypes/paizo-oracle -archetypes/spirit-guide/

Or maybe http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/elf/ancient-lorekeeper-oracle-elf/

Be aware that while the spirit guide allows an oracle to pick up alternate spirit lists to their spells known, the Arcane Enlightenment hex from the Lore Spirit does not allow an oracle to actually prepare wizard spells. It allows the person with the hex to add spells to their list of spells to prepare, but oracles don't prepare spells, so it does nothing for them.

An arcane enlightenment shaman with a human favored class bonus is really the only single class character (outside of the ancient lorekeeper oracle mentioned) that I'm aware of that can deeply dip into both the cleric and wizard list in addition to their own shaman spell list. It takes all three mental stats to pull off to any great degree though if you care about spell DCs.

Other options you might consider are the Halcyon Druid or Magaambyan Initiaite Arcanist. Halcyon Druid gets 2 wizard spells at 4, 6, etc added to their list and can spontaneously cast spells from the Cleric Good domain. It's not full cleric access, but between the druid overlap it might be sufficient. Magaambyan Initiate has the ability to cast additional spells off the druid list or cleric spells with the good descriptor in addition to the wizard/sorcerer list (or the witch list if you stack it with Unlettered Arcanist).

Silver Crusade

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Atalius wrote:

Not the entire list but certain spells I like on the cleric list that an Oracle can't use

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Cleric specific spells

There's no such thing as Cleric-specific spells that an Oracle can't cast. Oracles use, by default, Clerics' spell list. In addition, Oracles get spells tied to their mystery. The main difference between the two spellcastings is that Clerics know ALL the spells, and each day decide which ones to prepare, while Oracles know only a certain number of them, but they can cast them spontaneously.


Gray Warden wrote:
Atalius wrote:

Not the entire list but certain spells I like on the cleric list that an Oracle can't use

...

Cleric specific spells

There's no such thing as Cleric-specific spells that an Oracle can't cast. Oracles use, by default, Clerics' spell list. In addition, Oracles get spells tied to their mystery. The main difference between the two spellcastings is that Clerics know ALL the spells, and each day decide which ones to prepare, while Oracles know only a certain number of them, but they can cast them spontaneously.

I did not know this. Some spells say Cleric other spells say Cleric/Oracle, not why if they both have the exact same spells


cavernshark wrote:
Atalius wrote:

I may have found something http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/archetypes/paizo-oracle -archetypes/spirit-guide/

Or maybe http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/elf/ancient-lorekeeper-oracle-elf/

Be aware that while the spirit guide allows an oracle to pick up alternate spirit lists to their spells known, the Arcane Enlightenment hex from the Lore Spirit does not allow an oracle to actually prepare wizard spells. It allows the person with the hex to add spells to their list of spells to prepare, but oracles don't prepare spells, so it does nothing for them.

An arcane enlightenment shaman with a human favored class bonus is really the only single class character (outside of the ancient lorekeeper oracle mentioned) that I'm aware of that can deeply dip into both the cleric and wizard list in addition to their own shaman spell list. It takes all three mental stats to pull off to any great degree though if you care about spell DCs.

Other options you might consider are the Halcyon Druid or Magaambyan Initiaite Arcanist. Halcyon Druid gets 2 wizard spells at 4, 6, etc added to their list and can spontaneously cast spells from the Cleric Good domain. It's not full cleric access, but between the druid overlap it might be sufficient. Magaambyan Initiate has the ability to cast additional spells off the druid list or cleric spells with the good descriptor in addition to the wizard/sorcerer list (or the witch list if you stack it with Unlettered Arcanist).

Wow I like it a lot. The Halcyon druid seems like what I'm looking for, unfortunately wild shape is lost forever. Would have been amazing to be able to cast while in bird form. So would I just use my Wisdom modifier for all the wizard spells as well? I could have a 10 INT?

Edit: looking further into it I had confused Good Domain for Good descriptor cleric spells. Good domain just isn't doing it for me :(


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Atalius wrote:
Gray Warden wrote:
Atalius wrote:

Not the entire list but certain spells I like on the cleric list that an Oracle can't use

...

Cleric specific spells

There's no such thing as Cleric-specific spells that an Oracle can't cast. Oracles use, by default, Clerics' spell list. In addition, Oracles get spells tied to their mystery. The main difference between the two spellcastings is that Clerics know ALL the spells, and each day decide which ones to prepare, while Oracles know only a certain number of them, but they can cast them spontaneously.
I did not know this. Some spells say Cleric other spells say Cleric/Oracle, not why if they both have the exact same spells

Spells from the Core Rulebook do not mention oracle in the PRD (or the actual book) because that class did not exist when it was written. If you check d20pfsrd or Archives of Nethys you should always see cleric/oracle, since they compile everything together.


Atalius wrote:
Id like to have full access to the wizard spell list and be able to cast cleric spells (like the shaman can through arcane enlightenment for wizard spells and human favored class bonus for cleric spells). Is there anything that offers that?

There's the Razmiran Priest or False Priest


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The thing about the cleric list? You can do most things other than blasting or illusions with it well. For buffing & healing it's better than the wizard list. Cleric 5-6/Veiled Illusionist X can cover the illusions - & more if you pick shadow conjuration etc. Ecclesitheurge cleric instead gets access to multiple domains; scribe scroll could be useful to keep all those domains available at once. Full access to the wizard list would be good but with smarts you don't need it.

If you want a character with full access to the wizard list who can steal spells off the cleric list, wizard 7 with the faith magic arcane discovery / cleric 1 / mystic theurge X works.


Well-Trained (Ex)

A halcyon druid adds Diplomacy and all Knowledge skills to her list of class skills.

This ability replaces nature sense and alters the druid’s class skills.

Does this mean I no longer have Perception and Spellcraft as a class skill?? :O


Atalius wrote:

Well-Trained (Ex)

A halcyon druid adds Diplomacy and all Knowledge skills to her list of class skills.

This ability replaces nature sense and alters the druid’s class skills.

Does this mean I no longer have Perception and Spellcraft as a class skill?? :O

Why would you think that?


Oh right I misread it, it says "adds diplomacy and knowledge..." Thought it said replaces. Ftw.


Does anyone know if there is a way as a Cleric to gain access to some druid spells or shaman spells, or psychic spells or something? Its ok if wizard is not doable. Just don't want to have to dip, archetypes are cool.


Ancient lorekeeper and halycon druid both good, hard to decide


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If you want a few extra off-list divine spells as a cleric then the main possibilities are the samsaran race with the mystic past life alt racial trait, or the pathfinder savant (official name)/arcane savant (d20pfsrd) prestige class.

The Exchange

A simple but more expensive solution would be max out Use Magic Device and use some scrolls.


That FCB of the half elf for the Halycon Druid is nice!

Grand Lodge

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Half elves can also get the ability to use wizard magic items easily arcane training or they can boost wis and cha. The cha can let them have access to fey spell lore for a larger spell list.


I noticed under Cleric FCB several races with: Select one domain power granted at 1st level that is normally usable for a number of times per day equal to 3 + the cleric‘s Wisdom modifier.

Would this basically mean you get your normal two domains plus a third ie Bit of Luck from the Luck domain?

If so that's pretty solid, and what race is best on Cleric? Humans unfortunately don't get this FCB option


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Atalius wrote:

I noticed under Cleric FCB several races with: Select one domain power granted at 1st level that is normally usable for a number of times per day equal to 3 + the cleric‘s Wisdom modifier.

Would this basically mean you get your normal two domains plus a third ie Bit of Luck from the Luck domain?

If so that's pretty solid, and what race is best on Cleric? Humans unfortunately don't get this FCB option

no it lets you increase your uses of one of your domain powers that have a 3+wis limit.


Chess Pwn wrote:
Atalius wrote:

I noticed under Cleric FCB several races with: Select one domain power granted at 1st level that is normally usable for a number of times per day equal to 3 + the cleric‘s Wisdom modifier.

Would this basically mean you get your normal two domains plus a third ie Bit of Luck from the Luck domain?

If so that's pretty solid, and what race is best on Cleric? Humans unfortunately don't get this FCB option

no it lets you increase your uses of one of your domain powers that have a 3+wis limit.

Thanks Chess Pwn

Shadow Lodge

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Atalius wrote:
Is there any way a Cleric can get access to different type of spells besides selecting domains and dipping into other classes? I ask this because there spell list is not as spectacular as some other classes.

You are really asking for a bit too much here: Classes with 9th level spells are already really, really powerful, and you are essentially looking to combine the best parts of two of them (Cleric chassis and spells plus Wizard spells) to create an even more powerful hybrid.

If this were somehow an option, it would probably be banned by most GMs as 'overpowered.'


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The cleric list is a bit weak, but that is balanced by the cleric automatically having access to every spell on it. The shaman can borrow some spells from other spell lists, but their base spell list is generally worse than the cleric.


The cleric list is a bit weak? Huh. Wow. Okay.

Dark Archive

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Purple Duck Games has the blood mystic class which grants aces to the wizard and cleric spell lists. It is 3pp material and it is a spontaneous caster.


Atalius wrote:
Is there any way a Cleric can get access to different type of spells besides selecting domains and dipping into other classes? I ask this because there spell list is not as spectacular as some other classes.

The Church of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods has you covered. Dreamed Secrets will get you access to any two spells off the Wizard list per day with a limitation of your highest spell level -1. But that is access to the entire Wizard spell list (2 spells at a time) all for the low low price of your sanity (look Will is your best save on a Cleric).


Anzyr wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Is there any way a Cleric can get access to different type of spells besides selecting domains and dipping into other classes? I ask this because there spell list is not as spectacular as some other classes.

The Church of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods has you covered. Dreamed Secrets will get you access to any two spells off the Wizard list per day with a limitation of your highest spell level -1. But that is access to the entire Wizard spell list (2 spells at a time) all for the low low price of your sanity (look Will is your best save on a Cleric).

That's a nice one!


But what is a Great old One or Outer God? My Deity is Kurgess (Neutral Good) can I still get this feat?


No, they're HP Lovecraft's nastier dreams. Cthulhu & similar. Kurgess is not an Outer God.

There's lists for each here.


avr wrote:

No, they're HP Lovecraft's nastier dreams. Cthulhu & similar. Kurgess is not an Outer God.

There's lists for each here.

Hmm perhaps I could use this to empower Slimey somehow


Use Magic Device lets you use scrolls and wands from other classes, but most clerics are very skill-starved so you have to consider what you're giving up.

Also, keep in mind that clerics have their whole spell list accessible whenever they memorize spells. They have a lot more flexibility than most spellcasters (except maybe wizards with lots and lots of spellbooks).

Grand Lodge

Anzyr wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Is there any way a Cleric can get access to different type of spells besides selecting domains and dipping into other classes? I ask this because there spell list is not as spectacular as some other classes.

The Church of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods has you covered. Dreamed Secrets will get you access to any two spells off the Wizard list per day with a limitation of your highest spell level -1. But that is access to the entire Wizard spell list (2 spells at a time) all for the low low price of your sanity (look Will is your best save on a Cleric).

Oh how I wish Dreamed Secrets was PFS legal...

Scarab Sages

It was for a while. The prerequisites never were though so it still wasn’t accessible. lol

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