paizo.com Recent Posts in Maximum skill points at 1st levelpaizo.com Recent Posts in Maximum skill points at 1st level2017-12-07T02:37:45Z2017-12-07T02:37:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelSorrySleepinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#72017-12-07T05:59:36Z2017-12-07T05:59:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lady-J wrote:</div><blockquote> maximum skill points or maximum skill bonus? </blockquote><p>Maximum skill points per level was something around 25 or so. You still only have a max of 1 per skill per level.
<p>I've seen more than a few builds with a +60-70 posted before, although I don't see why you would do that other than giggles.</p>Lady-J wrote:maximum skill points or maximum skill bonus?
Maximum skill points per level was something around 25 or so. You still only have a max of 1 per skill per level. I've seen more than a few builds with a +60-70 posted before, although I don't see why you would do that other than giggles.SorrySleeping2017-12-07T05:59:36ZRe: Forums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelAvoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#62017-12-07T04:50:41Z2017-12-07T04:50:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote>In theory, if you have a Feat for +2, a Skill Focus, and a Racial Bonus you could get +19 or +20...but that's hard to arrange (though a Half Elf can manage it with Perception).</blockquote><p>How about a half-elf cleric with the feather and eagle domains?
<p>+1 rank
<br />
+3 class skill (via fey thoughts)
<br />
+5 wisdom
<br />
+2 keen senses
<br />
+2 Sharp Senses
<br />
+2 Alertness
<br />
+3 Skill Focus (Perception)
<br />
+2 Eyes of the Wild
<br />
+1 hawkeye
<br />
+1 eyes of the hawk
<br />
+3 hawk familiar
<br />
+3 aspect of the falcon</p>
<p>for whopping total of +28 perception in the right conditions, at level one.</p>Deadmanwalking wrote:In theory, if you have a Feat for +2, a Skill Focus, and a Racial Bonus you could get +19 or +20...but that's hard to arrange (though a Half Elf can manage it with Perception).
How about a half-elf cleric with the feather and eagle domains? +1 rank
+3 class skill (via fey thoughts)
+5 wisdom
+2 keen senses
+2 Sharp Senses
+2 Alertness
+3 Skill Focus (Perception)
+2 Eyes of the Wild
+1 hawkeye
+1 eyes of the hawk
+3 hawk familiar
+3 aspect of the falcon
for whopping...Avoron2017-12-07T04:50:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelvagabond_666https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#52017-12-07T03:46:41Z2017-12-07T03:34:42Z<p>Most skills also have some items that give a +2 circumstance bonus, that are cheap enough to be afforded either at character creation, or at least with the first influx of cash (well before you level up). </p>
<p>At one point I was playing a human Masked Maiden Vigilante and I figured out that with grey maiden initiate, intimidating prowess, the +2 trait, a 20 str/18 cha, and a +2 item, I could start the game with something like +17 to intimidate (+21 in my area of renown).</p>
<p>Didn't go with exactly that, since it's a ridiculous level of intimidate for level 1, but it's the sort of malarky you can pull.</p>Most skills also have some items that give a +2 circumstance bonus, that are cheap enough to be afforded either at character creation, or at least with the first influx of cash (well before you level up).
At one point I was playing a human Masked Maiden Vigilante and I figured out that with grey maiden initiate, intimidating prowess, the +2 trait, a 20 str/18 cha, and a +2 item, I could start the game with something like +17 to intimidate (+21 in my area of renown).
Didn't go with exactly...vagabond_6662017-12-07T03:34:42ZRe: Forums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelLady-Jhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#42017-12-07T02:59:02Z2017-12-07T02:59:02Z<p>maximum skill points or maximum skill bonus?</p>maximum skill points or maximum skill bonus?Lady-J2017-12-07T02:59:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelavrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#32017-12-07T02:55:24Z2017-12-07T02:55:24Z<p>Your total bonus with that skill is +10, yes. Most of that is not skill points obviously.</p>
<p>Is there anything else you're asking here?</p>Your total bonus with that skill is +10, yes. Most of that is not skill points obviously.
Is there anything else you're asking here?avr2017-12-07T02:55:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#22017-12-07T02:54:59Z2017-12-07T02:54:59Z<p>You can never get more than one skill rank in a skill at 1st. Your bonus, however, can get rather absurd:</p>
<p>+1 Rank
<br />
+3 Class
<br />
+5 Ability
<br />
+2 Race/Feat (there are Feats for +2 to two skills)
<br />
+3 Skill Focus
<br />
+2 Trait
<br />
+1 or +2 Class Feature (many skills can get something that adds +1 or +2 to some skills at 1st)</p>
<p>Makes for a total of +17 or +18. Now, not all Skills have +2 Traits (though I believe all have a +1 Trait) so for many skills the max is +16 or +17. </p>
<p>In theory, if you have a Feat for +2, a Skill Focus, <i>and</i> a Racial Bonus you could get +19 or +20...but that's hard to arrange (though a Half Elf can manage it with Perception).</p>
<p>A few Classes also add more than +1 or +2, with some adding an additional ability score, and Investigator and a few others adding a bonus +1d6.</p>
<p>And, for Stealth, being Small gets you a +4 bonus, so you can get it even higher.</p>
<p>So a number in excess of +20 is possible, but very tricky to arrange on most skills. Frankly, anything higher than +15 is almost certainly wasted effort, and a +11 or so is probably as high as you're ever gonna need.</p>You can never get more than one skill rank in a skill at 1st. Your bonus, however, can get rather absurd:
+1 Rank
+3 Class
+5 Ability
+2 Race/Feat (there are Feats for +2 to two skills)
+3 Skill Focus
+2 Trait
+1 or +2 Class Feature (many skills can get something that adds +1 or +2 to some skills at 1st)
Makes for a total of +17 or +18. Now, not all Skills have +2 Traits (though I believe all have a +1 Trait) so for many skills the max is +16 or +17.
In theory, if you have a Feat for +2, a...Deadmanwalking2017-12-07T02:54:59ZForums: Advice: Maximum skill points at 1st levelDarrell Lunarihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2urme?Maximum-skill-points-at-1st-level#12017-12-07T02:37:45Z2017-12-07T02:37:45Z<p>I am creating a half-elf bard and came across an situation. I recall we can not not put more points into a skill than our hit die or level. But given that traits and other things give us free points I was wondering what the max number of skill points with bonuses. </p>
<p>Here is an example:
<br />
Performance
<br />
Inital point 1
<br />
Class Skill 3
<br />
16 Charisma 3
<br />
Skill Focus 3</p>
<p>Total 10</p>
<p>Is this right? I relize I could add more with traits and feats.</p>I am creating a half-elf bard and came across an situation. I recall we can not not put more points into a skill than our hit die or level. But given that traits and other things give us free points I was wondering what the max number of skill points with bonuses.
Here is an example:
Performance
Inital point 1
Class Skill 3
16 Charisma 3
Skill Focus 3
Total 10
Is this right? I relize I could add more with traits and feats.Darrell Lunari2017-12-07T02:37:45Z