Ring of Telekinesis and Base Attack Bonus


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Now the other day I stumbled across the Ring of Telekinesis. It is, simply put, a ring of CL 9 that allows you to use Telekinesis on command. Recalling the rules for using magic items, it is quite obvious, that this telekinesis uses CL 9 and an INT score of 15 for calculating all level-dependent effects and saves.
What I am more concerned with is the "violent thrust" option of the spell.
It basically says that you can throw up to 9 objects with a max. weight of 9x25 lbs at a target within 9x10 ft at your BAB + INT modifier. Of course, the INT modifier is 2 since we use the item's value of 15 INT. But IIRC, the BAB basically specifies "how good you are at hitting stuff", which should as a consequence, be the BAB of the ring user, since he is the person that actually has to aim the projectiles.

It would be the most reasonable approach to me. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. I couldn't find any specific ruling on this issue.


What makes you think items have an int value? I've never seen any ruling about that outside of intelligent items that cast the spells themselves.

BAB + Stat should be figured by individual users. The CL and stat used should be determined at the time the item is created. The default is wizard or cleric if applicable, and at the minimum level to create the item. In this case, CL 9 wizard so Int is used. If the actual creator was a Sorcerer it would be CL 10 (or more) and use Cha instead of Int.

I can't think of any reason why you would base the BAB + Int/Cha on anything other than the user unless its an intelligent magic item that uses the spell itself.


Meirril wrote:

What makes you think items have an int value? I've never seen any ruling about that outside of intelligent items that cast the spells themselves.

BAB + Stat should be figured by individual users. The CL and stat used should be determined at the time the item is created. The default is wizard or cleric if applicable, and at the minimum level to create the item. In this case, CL 9 wizard so Int is used. If the actual creator was a Sorcerer it would be CL 10 (or more) and use Cha instead of Int.

I can't think of any reason why you would base the BAB + Int/Cha on anything other than the user unless its an intelligent magic item that uses the spell itself.

IIRC, you use the item's caster level and the minimum ability score required to cast the spell in order to determine its effects. That's what I meant by "the item's INT score". I wasn't talking about intelligent items.


The ring uses its own casting power, not that of the user, so the item's effective score of 15 should apply.

For the BAB on the other hand, it seems reasonable to apply that of the user, since there doesn't seem any reason the creator of the item would be able to infuse it with their combat skill (At least in the construction requirements)
And of course, it's the user who is actually doing the aiming


Dairfaron wrote:
Meirril wrote:

What makes you think items have an int value? I've never seen any ruling about that outside of intelligent items that cast the spells themselves.

BAB + Stat should be figured by individual users. The CL and stat used should be determined at the time the item is created. The default is wizard or cleric if applicable, and at the minimum level to create the item. In this case, CL 9 wizard so Int is used. If the actual creator was a Sorcerer it would be CL 10 (or more) and use Cha instead of Int.

I can't think of any reason why you would base the BAB + Int/Cha on anything other than the user unless its an intelligent magic item that uses the spell itself.

IIRC, you use the item's caster level and the minimum ability score required to cast the spell in order to determine its effects.

You are correct. The only items that care about the user's casting stats are staves.

Also, magical items created by sorcerers and those created by wizards (or clerics) are functionally identical. That's why you never see "CL 9 (wizard) or CL 10 (sorcerer)" or so on in an item description. The only time the maker's class "marks" the item is when a scroll is typed as arcane, divine, or psychic.

Oh, and the BAB is the user's.

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