What is the next Adventure Path hardcover?


Pathfinder Adventure Path General Discussion

151 to 196 of 196 << first < prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | next > last >>

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

anyhow, i guess PF2 pretty much means we aren't going to be seeing a hardcover compilation of any of the PF1 adventure path


the nerve-eater of Zur-en-Aarh wrote:
Urath DM wrote:


Because, sadly, the character that the AP established (or, more accurately, reinforced) is wrong. They're not supposed to be anywhere near as offensive as they come across in the AP (partially because, I suspect, you only see the offenders in the AP, not the 90% of the race that is supposed to be nicer).
I still don't quite understand how people can find those elves in general offensive unless the GM fails fairly spectacularly on communicating "the nice ones want your help and appreciate it, there are a handful of political extremists who don't and one of those turns out to be the villain." Particularly when you've got Shalelu and Kwava to make the first impression, and when the ones who try to assassinate them in Kyonin directly identify themselves as a splinter group by shouting “Death to all who would doubt the Winter Council!”

So.. here's how I see the issue...

The Encounters in the AP:

First, there are no scripted "friendly" encounters in the AP. The first time the PCs meet elves is when they reach Crying Leaf and the Elven hunters watch them fighting Forest Drakes, and might mock them for it. From then on, Kaerishiel makes his disdain for them clear at every opportunity. Most Elves are ashamed that the Drow exist and want to keep the secret hidden. They have not been above killing those who find out the secret previously. The next time the PCs meet Elves is in Kyonin, where Vilastir dismisses and mocks their story as they try to warn the Queen of what's coming. Queen Telandia, for her part, seems to go along (hoping that the PCs realize she's not really doubting them). The assassination attempt is meant as much to embarrass her (and show her that the Winter Council are the ones REALLY in charge - that she should be quiet and do as they tell her) as it is to kill the outsiders who know the secret that there are Drow. They then escape with Quliiindra, maybe, and begin their tour of Golarion. They meet the Snowcasters, who also are unwelcoming and basically hurry them along their way. Once they reach Thorn's End, they meet the Winter Council and get dissed again, to varying degrees by each of these "wise leaders".

So those are all of the scripted encounters with Elves. Pretty much every one of them (except Eviana and Shalelu) looks down on them and gives them a hard time. Softening Kaerishiel's attitude is a result of heroics that save his life.

Their lodgings in Kyonin are essentially nice prisons (especially the Paradise Chamber), and the Queen ends up manipulating them into helping her resolve her internal government problem. This is why I don't like the option of "make all the PCs members of the Shin'Rakorath to avoid this whole issue".

If the GM doesn't play up the cruelty of the Drow, especially in Endless Night, they can easily come off as "nicer" than the surface Elves. "They may be genocidal, but they were nice to us" is how it can come off, "while the surface Elves may be a "benevolent" race but they treat us like crap".

Since many GMs play APs because they don't have time to write their own material, that means many GMs will be playing the AP with only the scripted encounters. So it becomes very easy for the Elves to come across as jerks... which appears to be what has happened.

Part of the solution is for the GM to provide some other encounters to present the Elves in a better light... but the GMs who don't have time won't be doing that.


Urath DM wrote:

{. . .}

The Encounters in the AP:
{. . .}
If the GM doesn't play up the cruelty of the Drow, especially in Endless Night, they can easily come off as "nicer" than the surface Elves. "They may be genocidal, but they were nice to us" is how it can come off, "while the surface Elves may be a "benevolent" race but they treat us like crap". {. . .}

Spoiler:
Now I've got this vision of running the AP in a way in which some of the Drow actually get the impression that they have a decent chance to pull this off, and try to entice others into refraining from interfering with their dirty work (if not actually joining them).

Of course, Paizo may want to wait on doing any Hardcover Editions of APs until they get Pathfinder 2nd Edition out the door, at which point every Pathfinder 1st Edition AP (as well as every D&D 3.5 AP) has the excuse of needing an edition update . . . .


Ten years later, people are still getting worked up over those stupid elves. I guess that's an accomplishment of sorts.

Doug M.


UnArcaneElection wrote:

Speculation:

Now I've got this vision of running the AP in a way in which some of the Drow actually get the impression that they have a decent chance to pull this off, and try to entice others into refraining from interfering with their dirty work (if not actually joining them).

I remember seeing a post on the Second Darkness forums about a group doing pretty much that...

Spoiler:
deciding that the Drow were right and they should eradicate the surface Elves because they're such jerks.

With regard to 2nd edition PF... yeah, that may put Kingmaker into a better position to be "next". Just remember that there is no guarantee that there even *be* a "next".


2 people marked this as a favorite.

the prospect of never seeing SD getting the PF1 HC treatment makes me just sad :(


Something occurred to me today: Since we have seen hints that Pathfinder 2nd Edition will be incorporating some of the flavor (Legendary Skill Proficiency, anyone?) if not the mechanics of Mythic Rules, once Pathfinder 2nd Edition comes out, Wrath of the Righteous potentially becomes a candidate for a Hardcover Edition. Great concept, but flawed execution -- with Pathfinder 2nd Edition, maybe a chance to fix the flaws.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

So, how about a Kingmaker Hardcover...revamped for PF 2e!


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Zedth wrote:
So, how about a Kingmaker Hardcover...revamped for PF 2e!

Well, they are just coming out with Kingmaker plastic minis. Make of that what you will, but they're certainly not very useful for the upcoming video game...


All signs point to Kingmaker.


Second Darkness would need a great deal of reworking but if Paizo plays it right and does good job then it could be very entertaining to run through it with a group!

My question is if they release a completely reworked hardcover of Second Darkness or Legacy of Fire will they be done in the new Pathfinder edition or the previous one?


4 people marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

I'd be more likely to buy a Second Darkness hardcover over Kingmaker, but whatever, they'll do what's best for them.

Whichever they do pick I hope it's super successful. :-)


Berselius wrote:
My question is if they release a completely reworked hardcover of Second Darkness or Legacy of Fire will they be done in the new Pathfinder edition or the previous one?

How likely are we to get one of those before we get a PF2.0 Rise of the Runelords re-release ?


^I would think actually reasonably likely (at least for Legacy of Fire, even though I'd prefer Second Darkness), since the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition is still pretty recent.


6 people marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

I think my single biggest heart break about Pathfinder 2.0 is the fact we'll never see SD or LoF updated to Pathfinder 1.0 rules.

I think if those had come out in the next couple of weeks years, combined with a few dungeon heavy APs, I could buy in to 2.0, but all I feel right now is disappointed about 2.0. I'm sure it will pass, but I'm not great with change and that was my single greatest reason for staying with Paizo when D&D 4th Ed. came out.


4 people marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

Oh, and for the record, if they were going to miraculously squeeze one more 1.0 hardcover in, my vote would be for Second Darkness.


I would buy any adventure path they put out in hardcover like the first two! They are great work and will last a long time. Not to mention they are great to read!
I would like to see all AP's come out in hardcover at some point. I dont see why they could not do 2 of them per year.


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Accessories, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
KILLGORE302 wrote:

I would buy any adventure path they put out in hardcover like the first two! They are great work and will last a long time. Not to mention they are great to read!

I would like to see all AP's come out in hardcover at some point. I dont see why they could not do 2 of them per year.

I'd be happy to see them, too. However, as to your last sentence, apparently you haven't been paying attention. :-)


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Urath DM wrote:
the nerve-eater of Zur-en-Aarh wrote:
Urath DM wrote:


Because, sadly, the character that the AP established (or, more accurately, reinforced) is wrong. They're not supposed to be anywhere near as offensive as they come across in the AP (partially because, I suspect, you only see the offenders in the AP, not the 90% of the race that is supposed to be nicer).
I still don't quite understand how people can find those elves in general offensive unless the GM fails fairly spectacularly on communicating "the nice ones want your help and appreciate it, there are a handful of political extremists who don't and one of those turns out to be the villain." Particularly when you've got Shalelu and Kwava to make the first impression, and when the ones who try to assassinate them in Kyonin directly identify themselves as a splinter group by shouting “Death to all who would doubt the Winter Council!”

So.. here's how I see the issue...

** spoiler omitted **...

And then it leads to calculations like "ok, we took down the guardians and all runes are ours now, so if we take out just one or two... that ought to still land some rock on the elves.. right?" That is without wrecking home and all of Golarion. The elves bloody well deserve it.


I am lucky to be french. In addition to Rise of the Runelord and Curse of the Crimson Throne, we have Skull Shackles, Council of Thieves, Reign of Winter and soon Jade Regant in hardcover.

Dark Archive

2 people marked this as a favorite.

I would assume those aren't updated though, just collected into one book?

Kinda feeling sad if now only way to see Second Darkness or Legacy of Fire updated is in 2e because I would really prefer running them in 1e, mostly because I'd think game play feel of original 3.5 and 2e can't really be the same


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
CorvusMask wrote:

I would assume those aren't updated though, just collected into one book?

Kinda feeling sad if now only way to see Second Darkness or Legacy of Fire updated is in 2e because I would really prefer running them in 1e, mostly because I'd think game play feel of original 3.5 and 2e can't really be the same

Second Darkness & Legacy of Fire are prime candidates for an update into 2E.

Second Darkness could definitely use a look through, and Legacy of Fire is fantastic and more people should see it and play it.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

The recent Paizo Twitch stream indicated that republishing 1e adventures under 2e isn't financially viable. I'm not sure if that covered collected hardcover APs.


If I had my choice my top pick would be Kingmaker as its a hugely unique game style that everyone Ive ever met loves and its one flaw (a mediocre ending) can be rewritten

Looking at the earlier APs I think they could use a rewrite just to make them compatible with Pathfinder without conversion. My top pick there would be Legacy of fire and my second choice is curse of the crimson throne.

My personal favorite AP (I havnt played them all) is Serpents skull and I would love to see a hardcover for that. My RL group loved that AP from start to finish and it'll always have a place in my heart too


4 people marked this as a favorite.
Windcaler wrote:
Looking at the earlier APs I think they could use a rewrite just to make them compatible with Pathfinder without conversion. My top pick there would be Legacy of fire and my second choice is curse of the crimson throne.

Your second choice was updated and printed over two years ago so you're good for that one.


Guys, it's over. There will never be any more hardcover compilations of any PF1 adventure paths. That's done.

There won't be any hardcover adventure paths for a long time to come -- not until PF2 is firmly on its feet. Years, at least. And even then, they won't be PF1.

PAIZO HAS TO WALK AWAY FROM PF1, GUYS. I know that's painful for a lot of people to hear. But they don't have the resources to support two systems. So they have to bet the farm on PF2. They've been pretty explicit about this -- support for PF1 will be limited, and there will be no new material.

Doug M.

Silver Crusade

6 people marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Folks won't stop until in 2028 Paizo announces PF 3rd ed, at which point they'll go "AHA! I knew PF2 is failure set to be replaced soon all along! Now can PF3 be PF1.5 and can we have hardcover Kingmaker while at it?" There, called it.


2 people marked this as a favorite.
Gorbacz wrote:
Folks won't stop until in 2028 Paizo announces PF 3rd ed, at which point they'll go "AHA! I knew PF2 is failure set to be replaced soon all along! Now can PF3 be PF1.5 and can we have hardcover Kingmaker while at it?" There, called it.

Along with the other group damning them for replacing The Best System Ever(tm) with a hacked up reversion to an old school failure.


1 person marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Guys, it's over. There will never be any more hardcover compilations of any PF1 adventure paths. That's done.

There won't be any hardcover adventure paths for a long time to come -- not until PF2 is firmly on its feet. Years, at least. And even then, they won't be PF1.

PAIZO HAS TO WALK AWAY FROM PF1, GUYS. I know that's painful for a lot of people to hear. But they don't have the resources to support two systems. So they have to bet the farm on PF2. They've been pretty explicit about this -- support for PF1 will be limited, and there will be no new material.

Doug M.

there might well be PF2 conversions of PF1 APs.

nothing stops that. heck, they updated RISE and CURSE to PF rules from 3.5.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Yakman wrote:
Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Guys, it's over. There will never be any more hardcover compilations of any PF1 adventure paths. That's done.

There won't be any hardcover adventure paths for a long time to come -- not until PF2 is firmly on its feet. Years, at least. And even then, they won't be PF1.

PAIZO HAS TO WALK AWAY FROM PF1, GUYS. I know that's painful for a lot of people to hear. But they don't have the resources to support two systems. So they have to bet the farm on PF2. They've been pretty explicit about this -- support for PF1 will be limited, and there will be no new material.

Doug M.

there might well be PF2 conversions of PF1 APs.

nothing stops that. heck, they updated RISE and CURSE to PF rules from 3.5.

It was mentioned during a Twitch interview that further hardcover collected APs are not economically viable. Which I take as "CotCT didn't sell, we're not risking another one".


Gorbacz wrote:
It was mentioned during a Twitch interview that further hardcover collected APs are not economically viable. Which I take as "CotCT didn't sell, we're not risking another one".

Neither the RotRL hardcover nor the CotCT hardcover have yet sold out, although CotCT is getting close: it now appears in the "less than 25 left" section of the Going, Going, Gone. RotRL isn't in GGG at all, which makes me marvel a little. It's been, what, six years? And there are still more than 250 left? Go figure.

Of course, none of this will stop people from sighing wistfully about Second Darkness.

Doug M.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

CotCT's print run could have been better adjusted to projected needs.

What is more telling is that CotCT hardcover has a grand total of 3 reviews. Compared to RotRL's 24.


It's hard to review an adventure you're still playing, haven't played yet or plan to run. I know, I've tried.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Gorbacz wrote:
Yakman wrote:
Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Guys, it's over. There will never be any more hardcover compilations of any PF1 adventure paths. That's done.

There won't be any hardcover adventure paths for a long time to come -- not until PF2 is firmly on its feet. Years, at least. And even then, they won't be PF1.

PAIZO HAS TO WALK AWAY FROM PF1, GUYS. I know that's painful for a lot of people to hear. But they don't have the resources to support two systems. So they have to bet the farm on PF2. They've been pretty explicit about this -- support for PF1 will be limited, and there will be no new material.

Doug M.

there might well be PF2 conversions of PF1 APs.

nothing stops that. heck, they updated RISE and CURSE to PF rules from 3.5.

It was mentioned during a Twitch interview that further hardcover collected APs are not economically viable. Which I take as "CotCT didn't sell, we're not risking another one".

;_;


3 people marked this as a favorite.
Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Of course, none of this will stop people from sighing wistfully about Second Darkness.

Doug M.

Well, "Pathfinder" 2 stopped me from doing that. Even Second Darkness doesn't deserve to be wasted by the PF2 treatment


1 person marked this as a favorite.

I bought CotCT as soon as it came out. I bet others did too.
Before PF2 releases, I'd love a Second Darkness and LoF hardcover.


Gorbacz wrote:
Yakman wrote:
Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Guys, it's over. There will never be any more hardcover compilations of any PF1 adventure paths. That's done.

There won't be any hardcover adventure paths for a long time to come -- not until PF2 is firmly on its feet. Years, at least. And even then, they won't be PF1.

PAIZO HAS TO WALK AWAY FROM PF1, GUYS. I know that's painful for a lot of people to hear. But they don't have the resources to support two systems. So they have to bet the farm on PF2. They've been pretty explicit about this -- support for PF1 will be limited, and there will be no new material.

Doug M.

there might well be PF2 conversions of PF1 APs.

nothing stops that. heck, they updated RISE and CURSE to PF rules from 3.5.

It was mentioned during a Twitch interview that further hardcover collected APs are not economically viable. Which I take as "CotCT didn't sell, we're not risking another one".

The Curse of the Crimson Throne hardcover is completely sold out.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Brother Fen wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Yakman wrote:
Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


Guys, it's over. There will never be any more hardcover compilations of any PF1 adventure paths. That's done.

There won't be any hardcover adventure paths for a long time to come -- not until PF2 is firmly on its feet. Years, at least. And even then, they won't be PF1.

PAIZO HAS TO WALK AWAY FROM PF1, GUYS. I know that's painful for a lot of people to hear. But they don't have the resources to support two systems. So they have to bet the farm on PF2. They've been pretty explicit about this -- support for PF1 will be limited, and there will be no new material.

Doug M.

there might well be PF2 conversions of PF1 APs.

nothing stops that. heck, they updated RISE and CURSE to PF rules from 3.5.

It was mentioned during a Twitch interview that further hardcover collected APs are not economically viable. Which I take as "CotCT didn't sell, we're not risking another one".

The Curse of the Crimson Throne hardcover is completely sold out.

After 2 years. With what it cost to update and put out (not to mention the two different versions), it just didn't sell well enough fast enough to justify risking another one, since Cure is one of the more popular APs.


Spin it how you like.

The Runelords hardcover is not sold out. The Curse hardcover is SOLD OUT in two years.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Brother Fen wrote:

Spin it how you like.

The Runelords hardcover is not sold out. The Curse hardcover is SOLD OUT in two years.

???

The Runelords HC not being sold out despite being out even longer is not good either. And this is compounded by the fact that these most likely had lower print runs than their other HCs.

Eventually selling out translates into not economically viable enough.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

To illustrate (and pulling numbers out of the air):

Product A has a 50,000 initial print run and sells 49,999 copies in the first week and sells the last one 3 years later.

Product B has a 5,000 initial print run and sells a couple hundred in the first week and then handfuls before finally selling everything after 2 years.

Product A is vastly more viable than Product B, the fact that Product B 100% sold out technically sooner than Product A means absolutely nothing.


1 person marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

I believe they've reprinted Runelords, possibly more than once.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

I agree or a revamp of Legacy of Fire or Serpent's Skull.

BMovieMonster wrote:

What will the next Adventure Path hardcover be?

I'm hoping for Kingmaker, considering some of the books are now being sold for $64 online.


After seeing what Owen K. C. Stephens had to say about Apostae in Starfinder times, I want to see a hardcover/anniversary edition of Second Darkness with foreshadowing of Apostae . . . Seems like a great opportunity waiting to be explored.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
UnArcaneElection wrote:

After seeing what Owen K. C. Stephens had to say about Apostae in Starfinder times, I want to see a hardcover/anniversary edition of Second Darkness with foreshadowing of Apostae . . . Seems like a great opportunity waiting to be explored.

oh man! thanks for that link!

Apostae is the BEST.


Flynn Greywalker wrote:

I agree or a revamp of Legacy of Fire or Serpent's Skull.

BMovieMonster wrote:

What will the next Adventure Path hardcover be?

I'm hoping for Kingmaker, considering some of the books are now being sold for $64 online.

I think Legacy of Fire would be a good way to put more details for the geniekin.

151 to 196 of 196 << first < prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | next > last >>
Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder Adventure Path / General Discussion / What is the next Adventure Path hardcover? All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.
Recent threads in General Discussion