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ShinHakkaider wrote:
Aaaaaaannnd it's DONE.

That just means that they've started the actual process. It's still got to go through regulators and lots of other hurdles. It'll be at minimum a year before they do much.

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Philo Pharynx wrote:
Regulators

*Is unable to say anything because that definitely would be political*

Anyways so happy to see Disney will now control nearly 40% of the US film market so we can get our Cats Don't Dance live-action remake.


I'm still wondering if that means Kang and Galactus get to show up in the MCU...because if they don't I'm going to start looking my Merry-ness.


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Philo Pharynx wrote:
Regulators

*Is unable to say anything because that definitely would be political*

Anyways so happy to see Disney will now control nearly 40% of the US film market so we can get our Cats Don't Dance live-action remake.

I kind of want a live action cats don't dance now...


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Only if said cats also pilot mechs. :p

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[u]"EPIC. CAT. MECH. DANCE. BATTLE!!!!!!! BEGIN!"[/u]


Am I the only one though that wants Kang as the next overall villain for post Phase 4?

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No.

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I admittedly don't know who Kang is.


Orthos,

Only like one of the top 5 Avengers villains that started out as FF antagonist.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Orthos,

Only like one of the top 5 Avengers villains that started out as FF antagonist.

Sort of.

Kang started as an Avengers villain. He was later revealed (or retconned, really) to be the same person as an earlier FF villain at a different point in his timeline - being a time traveler, this almost makes sense.


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Orthos wrote:
I admittedly don't know who Kang is.

Time travelling FF/Avengers villain, pretty much the most generic example of the type. Yes, including becoming an Egyptian pharaoh, because of course he does.*

Especially when they all (from multiple dimensions) get together and hang out. Or fight each other. Or replace or try to out-scheme each other. Or become heroes and try to stop villain Kangs. Or vice-versa. If you need a villain for any random story (especially a time travel story) to oppose the FF or the Avengers you can pretty much squeeze a Kang (or multiple Kangs) in there to be after anything or anyone.

Kang was pretty much the go-to villain for any no effort time travel story.

*yeah, OK, the original pharaoh identity actually precedes the Kang identity, but later incarnations go back to that anyway.


Either way, he's still awesome. It's too bad he's not a team player, otherwise I'd love to see him, Thanos and Apocalypse join up to tear the MCU a new one. ;)

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Ah. Not someone I've ever been exposed to, then. FF are one of the parts of the Marvel universe I just have no interest in. What about him is so awesome? He doesn't sound particularly interesting from that overview.

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Pan wrote:
I'd consider Stranger Things a big hit and kimmy Schmidt a gigantic miss. (Though people love it so I guess there is no accounting for taste.)

Stranger Things is brilliant. I don't think the second season quite lived up to the first, but it was still quite excellent.

Kimmy Schmidt I enjoyed the first season, the second season kinda bored me, and honestly didn't even make it through the first episode of the most recent season. I think one problem is that I just am not a fan of the Tituss character, and they seemed to be putting more and more emphasis on him. In my view, he wasn't even really a character...he was just the epitome of the "gay black man" stereotype.

Going back to Disney buying Fox, I have different opinions of various aspects of the deal (and almost no opinion on the vast majority of it):

Star Wars - With the distribution rights for the original Star Wars finally residing at the same place all the rights for all the films, I'm hoping for an actually good release of the original trilogy. The normal remastering process I'm fine with, as well as remixing the audio to 7.1, etc. But I want the actual content of the movie to be the same as the original theatrical releases. None of the "improvements" that Lucas continually inflicted upon them.

Fantastic Four - I don't really care about the F4 themselves, although I do hope they finally get a decent adaptation. But for me, the F4 is (and always has been) just a vessel for the delivery of DOOM. Do Doom well, and I will come. But I have very little faith...the MCU isn't really known for doing justice to villains, especially the cinematic side.

Deadpool - Deadpool is enough of a meta character where I can see MCU Deadpool staying with Ryan Rynolds (they'd be stupid not to keep him), and making references to the previous Deadpool movies, yet at the same time dropping that continuity for that of the MCU.

X-Men, Pt. 1 (MCU X-Men) - Here is where I'm actually kind of hesitant about how Disney will handle things. One of the reasons the MCU has done so well is that it was carefully built, and there seems to have been a long-term plan going forward. (I mean, they've obviously been building towards Infinity War since phase 1.) I'm a bit worried that they'll be a bit too eager to play with their new toys, and that the introduction of the X-Men to the MCU will be too abrupt and jarring. I also think that the X-Men is a big enough franchise that it works well WITHOUT the rest of the Marvel universe, and probably would work BETTER without it. However, I realize that I have very little company in having that opinion.

X-Men, Pt. 2 (FOX X-Men) - I'm assuming that anything that has already been in production will be completed (New Mutants, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool 2). Beyond those three films, planned projects probably will be cancelled. On the TV side, currently running shows include The Gifted and Legion. Legion is already in production of it's 2nd season, and again I assume that it will continue with that season, although it will probably end after that. I believe that The Gifted has been confirmed as renewed for a second season...but the merger makes that VERY tenous, and I'd wager against it actually happening. Which I personally am sad about, I've really enjoyed The Gifted so far. I just don't see Disney supporting non-MCU X-Men projects at the same time as they are planning to integrate the X-Men into the MCU.

There might be some major changes to the upcoming Disney streaming service. With this acquisition, Disney is now the majority owner of HULU. Instead of building their streaming service from scratch, it might just become a HULU add-on. This would be bad news for Netflix, as it basically massively speeds up the timetable for Disney to be able to launch...thus Disney will be pulling their content from Netflix sooner.

I have very little opinion about the merger outside of those franchises (mostly due to me not really knowing what FOX owns beyond those things).

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The thing any workable film version of Doom would have to get right, for me, is making his facial scarring one small nick on his cheek. It's crucial to the guy's character that the scar is absolutely trivial but he has ego enough to go all Phantom of the Opera about it.

That was the original scar, true...but he followed that up by throwing his first mask on before it had cooled. So his face was a burned mess. I say "was" because that's fixed in the post-God Emperor Doom world.

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phantom1592 wrote:


Yeah, Disney is very particular over their 'Princess line' and it's VERY exclusive. Right now, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Merida are the only ones in the club.

Leia is not one of the Disney Princess'... Anna and Elsa aren't even in the Disney Princess' line.

I don't ever see anything that didn't originate at Disney EVER getting into the club... No Leia, No Buffy... certainly No Deadpool...

Pffft. Whatever. Jessica Jones is the best Disney princess, period.


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phantom1592 wrote:


Yeah, Disney is very particular over their 'Princess line' and it's VERY exclusive. Right now, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Merida are the only ones in the club.

Leia is not one of the Disney Princess'... Anna and Elsa aren't even in the Disney Princess' line.

I don't ever see anything that didn't originate at Disney EVER getting into the club... No Leia, No Buffy... certainly No Deadpool...

Pffft. Whatever. Jessica Jones is the best Disney princess, period.

Don't forget that now that disney owns fox they own the alien franchise. since they all come form the xenomorph queen Every little chest burster is a disney princess


Shadow Kosh wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:


Yeah, Disney is very particular over their 'Princess line' and it's VERY exclusive. Right now, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Merida are the only ones in the club.

Leia is not one of the Disney Princess'... Anna and Elsa aren't even in the Disney Princess' line.

I don't ever see anything that didn't originate at Disney EVER getting into the club... No Leia, No Buffy... certainly No Deadpool...

Pffft. Whatever. Jessica Jones is the best Disney princess, period.

I dunno. I'd like to see Laura Kinney aka X-23 do a Disney princess thing.


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Shadow Kosh wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:


Yeah, Disney is very particular over their 'Princess line' and it's VERY exclusive. Right now, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Merida are the only ones in the club.

Leia is not one of the Disney Princess'... Anna and Elsa aren't even in the Disney Princess' line.

I don't ever see anything that didn't originate at Disney EVER getting into the club... No Leia, No Buffy... certainly No Deadpool...

Pffft. Whatever. Jessica Jones is the best Disney princess, period.
Don't forget that now that disney owns fox they own the alien franchise. since they all come form the xenomorph queen Every little chest burster is a disney princess

LET IT GO, LET IT GO...


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Orthos wrote:
I admittedly don't know who Kang is.

Descendant of Reed Richard, like 1000 years down the line or so. Uses time travel a lot to take over the world in the future.

Tends to pop back to the past as part of his take over of the future or to kill people who are getting in the way during his own time with the old "killed your great grand dad" trick.

Somewhere in his timeline he becomes Immortus, lord of all time. which is odd cause the two hate each other a lot. Eventually they managed to split their timelines away from each other and become independant entities.

and then of course you have Ironlad = aka: young Kang. Who old Kang tried to inspire by showing him all the cool things he would one day do. Young Kang said WTF?! went back in time, started the Young Avengers in an effort to prevent himself from every going evil.

Older Kang did not appriciate that.

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Pretty much I think it's 'Kang' was doing the 'Wyld Stallyns' thing so much that eventually the bill came due... and that's when Immortus came into being... with essentially the job of 'fix all the stuff you screwed up'.

Yeah, I'd have a few choice words and actions for *my* younger self if I had to clean up all their messes ALL the... wait for it... time.


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Shadow Kosh wrote:


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Speculation I have seen suggests that Legion and Gifted are probably safe. Legion is on FX which Disney also picked up (unless it gets slapped away due to monopoly concerns).

Disney didn't pick up Fox channel, but Fox will need original programming still, and there isn't really any reason to cancel Gifted, as both Legion and Gifted put the xmen brand out there, and mostly use only minor characters and are well regarded. Given the declining connectivity of "MCU" TV shows, I don't see a problem with these shows continuing to exist. It's not like either show stars Wolverine or something. At any rate, it will take years to incorporate the xmen into the MCU...Legion and Gifted could very well be on their 5th season by that point.

One point to also consider. This merger still have to be approved by the feds, which itself will take at least a year. Fox will need to continue their production operation in the mean time, because if they have no movies in production and the deal doesn't come into being, Fox will be in pretty poor shape as far as future sales.


Thank you to Grey and Wei Ji for the help on Kang. :)

But yeah time travel guy is STILL the best Avenger villain.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Thank you to Grey and Wei Ji for the help on Kang. :)

But yeah time travel guy is STILL the best Avenger villain.

Kang is a pretty good one but I gotta be honest

The Master of Pandamonium still kind of wins as the guy who freaks me out most.

It was the issue where Wanda's babies were fused to his arms.....that image has just never gone away from me.

He's not a top tier villain (pretty much Mephisto's dog walker) but that image (John Bryne's artwork if I remember) still tends to pop up in my head and give me the shivers.


Grey,

Yeah Master Pandemonium still has fused devils for hands...


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I'll be honest, Kang was never a favorite. In the stories I've seen him in... he just seems to be strangely... both an overpowered character... and a tremendous loser.

Time Travel is SUCH a powerful tool... and having access to all of space and time he should be INSANELY powerful. His armor should be better than starks, his guns should be able to blow a hole in Cap's shield... I mean, yeah, it's the toughest thing around NOW... but 1,000 years from now?? Not only that, but all of his adventures against the 20th century would be history to him... and the way he's constantly beaten down is just uninspiring.

He SHOULD be the #1 most dangerous character in the universe. Galactus, Thanos, DOOM... They shouldn't compare with the greatest possible knowledge of history AND unrivaled access to all weapons ever... and yet to my knowledge he's never REALLY had a big win?!?!

I think the season 1 of Earth's mightiest Heroes did a good job with him... but even that was a bit weak sauce.

He was one of my first Action Figures from the Secret Wars line... and I had no idea who or what he was... and after reading the actual Comics... they STILL did nothing with him.

So yeah, with Doom and Galactus around, I don't think Kang has what it takes to be the big bad of a whole Phase and team up. That definitely needs to be either the coming of Galactus or Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. Kang doesn't have the Oomph to do it.


Please not the Beyonder. Keep it all a little more grounded than that.

Galactus would be cool, but he doesn't really work as a multi-movie big bad. He doesn't plot and send minions to do things. He doesn't gather artifacts. He shows up and eats the planet. You could at best do a "Herald" movie and a Galactus movie.

As for Kang, he's still just a guy, you know? He's smart, he's got good tech and he's got time travel, but that still doesn't put him in Galactus's force of nature class. He's got tech, but he's not a god. Or a cosmic powered monster. Or anything else. He's just a normal guy inside that suit.

And Cap's shield is that invulnerable. It's been tested against magic and plenty of alien tech, some of which should easily be the equivalent of 1,000s of years in the future. It's been broken, but only by seriously crazy stuff.

The time travel is the serious part of Kang's threat. If he really wanted to win, he should be able to strike at you simultaneously in different parts of your timeline, beating you before you know he exists or obliterating your past so you're no threat to him. But that's hard to do in a linear episodic medium, so it doesn't happen. He's portrayed as arrogant and enjoying the challenge of beating the Avengers, not just wanting them gone.


thejeff wrote:

Please not the Beyonder. Keep it all a little more grounded than that.

Galactus would be cool, but he doesn't really work as a multi-movie big bad. He doesn't plot and send minions to do things. He doesn't gather artifacts. He shows up and eats the planet. You could at best do a "Herald" movie and a Galactus movie.

I'll admit I find the Beyonder the weakest part of Secret Wars and I don't think 'fighting GOD' would fly too well... However, the epic beatdown of ALL the heroes... Seriously, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers and Spider-man, plus more?? against a Horde of villains in a grand battle royal ending with an all powerful Doom?

Oh yes... I want to see that movie.

As for Galactus? Just off the top of my head, you could have mentions of him in a Guardians movie... Have the skrull or Kree world get eaten in the Captain Marvel Movie, have a Herald show up in a Fantastic Four movie (Hopefully not surfer... I hate him. Maybe Terrax), and then finally Galactus for an all out avengers 'infinity war' style movie.


The Beyonder doesn't need to be in it any more than Onslaught.

Though I still like 2015's Secret Wars lead ups.

Galactus is a serious threat, but I never thought of him as supreme threat like Thanos or Kang.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

The Beyonder doesn't need to be in it any more than Onslaught.

Though I still like 2015's Secret Wars lead ups.

Galactus is a serious threat, but I never thought of him as supreme threat like Thanos or Kang.

Destroy the world is pretty supreme. For any Earth bound characters... that's about as big as it gets. Sure Thanos can destroy the UNIVERSE... but if 99% of all characters are on earth... there isn't much difference to the threat scale there.

One big difference I find with Galactus as opposed to Thanos or Kang... is that Galactus WINS.

Maybe not on earth yet... but The entire universe fears him because he DOES eat planets... HAS eaten planets... has wiped out civilizations, cultures, and histories... and then moved on to the next meal for MILLIONS of years.

The decades of earth failures has tarnished him to comic fans abit... but Galactus the world destroyer... He's essentiall the end of all that is for untold billions. Entire galactic empires have devised defense plans... and failed.

With Guardian of the Galaxy running around, there is a unique chance to brag him up a bit before he eventually sets his eyes on earth.


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Mole man!

So was just reading unbeatable squirrel girl and suddenly It occurred to me moleman is literally just an old man beating on the floor of the roof above him telling those punk kids to keep it down except taken to the extreme.


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phantom1592 wrote:

I'll be honest, Kang was never a favorite. In the stories I've seen him in... he just seems to be strangely... both an overpowered character... and a tremendous loser.

Time Travel is SUCH a powerful tool... and having access to all of space and time he should be INSANELY powerful. His armor should be better than starks, his guns should be able to blow a hole in Cap's shield... I mean, yeah, it's the toughest thing around NOW... but 1,000 years from now?? Not only that, but all of his adventures against the 20th century would be history to him... and the way he's constantly beaten down is just uninspiring.

He SHOULD be the #1 most dangerous character in the universe. Galactus, Thanos, DOOM... They shouldn't compare with the greatest possible knowledge of history AND unrivaled access to all weapons ever... and yet to my knowledge he's never REALLY had a big win?!?!

I largely agree and I think part of the problem is that Kang rarely seems to have very much character compared to other villains like Doctor Doom, Magneto, Loki, or the Enchantress. He's got a lot of power, but he's about as interesting as a painting full of different shades of beige.


Wha??? Bill, obviously you've never read Avengers Forever. THAT had a great Kang build to it.

Anyways, I stand with Kang. Doom...meh.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Wha??? Bill, obviously you've never read Avengers Forever. THAT had a great Kang build to it.

Anyways, I stand with Kang. Doom...meh.

{blushes}

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Not so fast! Here comes Comcast...


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Some speculation is that this is less about the expectation of Comcast getting Fox, but more on trying to wratchet up Disney so they have to invest more into the acquisition.

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Comcast backs out of Fox deal

Scarab Sages

Interesting news on Comcast backing out. With that, the only thing apparently standing in there way is the Fox shareholder who filed a lawsuit regarding the sale.

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Finally. Fantastic Four back in the MCU where they belong!


Marc,

Yeah but I doubt it will be in time for Avengers Part 4...

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Marc,

Yeah but I doubt it will be in time for Avengers Part 4...

Well, I don’t think I said or even implied that, but that’s probably true. I wouldn’t be at all suprised if Marvel snuck a little Fantastic Four easter egg in there though, as a subtle nod that they are coming ...


I would think avengers part 4 is probably mostly done at this point. If the buy out was finsihed right now I think we would probably still have about 2 years at least before we saw a F4 movies.

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As long as they don't get the X-Men into the MCU


Like ever and any or do you mean the current X-men as how fox has portrayed them?


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
I would think avengers part 4 is probably mostly done at this point. If the buy out was finsihed right now I think we would probably still have about 2 years at least before we saw a F4 movies.

Well there are some pickups and reshoots that are scheduled for the fall, but we probably wont see anything regarding the new acquisitions until 2020 or so.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I would think avengers part 4 is probably mostly done at this point. If the buy out was finsihed right now I think we would probably still have about 2 years at least before we saw a F4 movies.
Well there are some pickups and reshoots that are scheduled for the fall, but we probably wont see anything regarding the new acquisitions until 2020 or so.

I wouldn't be surprised to see an Easter Egg or something, but not a major role.

Post-credit scene?

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Like ever and any or do you mean the current X-men as how fox has portrayed them?

Ever, honestly.

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Exactly. Marvel could very easily stick in a little Easter egg that subtly nods at the Fantastic Four, and it's very much the kind of clever thing Kevin Feige would do.

I think it really come down to if the merger is finalized in time

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