I'm Masochist BARBARIAN


Advice


I'm making barbarian build inspired by Mike Schneider.

Dargo, Deathless Barbarian:
There is a link of the build.

This Barbarian build is very strong, because you have double amount of HP, strong damage in the one hit(when raging, averange if not), high saves (thanks to Superstitious and +1/3 human favored bonus), but it has very low AC (nevermind... you have huge amount of hit points).

The build hasn't any weakness except one... when you get under 0 hit points, you'll die because of stop raging. However, this build working best, when you under 0 HP....
So, I need your advice...

Situation:

You are Barbarian 7th level, you have 14 CON score (max 86HP) at the base. You have Guarded Life, greater and Superstitious raging powers. Feats are Deathless Initiate,Ferocious Tenacity, Power attack.

You killed everything on the battlefield, but you have just -10 HP and you're still raging. You want to stop raging as a free action. Spells, potions, wands, supernatural abilities, spel-like abilities are halves or negates(thanks to Superstitious).

NOW you need to do something or you will DIE immediately.

Questions:
1)What you will do to survive this situation above?
2)Is there some possibility to overcome/bypass Superstitious?
3)Would items be used through the Superstitious?

Rules for advice:

1)No 3rd party
2)No multiclassing (so stay at barbarian build)
3)Don't touch the Superstitius raging power


Have you considered ranks in Diplomacy? Interacting well with others is a fun part of the game.

How about some ranks in crafting weapons? It's good to have other hobbies besides rage killing everything, and it may keep you from taking so many mortal wounds.

As far as your question, it's not unique to your build. How does any character avoid dying? We have been asking ourselves this since the beginning of time and will continue until we take that final rest.

PS Avoid Dying (words to live by)


The DM of wrote:

Have you considered ranks in Diplomacy? Interacting well with others is a fun part of the game.

How about some ranks in crafting weapons? It's good to have other hobbies besides rage killing everything, and it may keep you from taking so many mortal wounds.

As far as your question, it's not unique to your build. How does any character avoid dying? We have been asking ourselves this since the beginning of time and will continue until we take that final rest.

PS Avoid Dying (words to live by)

I am not the face of party. This role belongs to other. We have rogue, Sorcer and brawler. So I am the muscle and meat of party :-)

My hobies is drinking, crushing skulls and japing around with arcane magic classes. I am playing character like The Hound from GoT.

My build is based on the edge of death... so can't just stop fighting to stop dying...


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Welcome to a big issue of Chained Barbarians. Generally speaking, you shouldn't need to be that low of HP unless you lose initiative and suffer multiple full attacks from high CR baddies, especially if you have DR rolling (as most Barbarians should).

Unchained Barbarian raging instead permits Temporary HP (with cheese prevention of course), so if you're concerned about dying due to lack of HP, Unchained Barbarian rage will be comparable.

Barring that (because of obvious reasons), Moment of Clarity will let you bypass all of the issues that Superstitious proposes, but you only get one round, and it's only once per rage. (At least it's not once per day, so it's usable throughout a given adventuring day. Just make sure to watch your rage rounds.)

**EDIT**

The Mad Magic feat would let you maintain Rage benefits while circumventing drawbacks, but it requires investing two rage powers and a feat to do so, the second rage power basically being a feat tax.

And as it turns out, there isn't a magic item that gives you moment of clarity as a rage power. Whoops...


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BARBARIAN AM LITERALLY NEVER HAVING THIS PROBLEM, SINCE BARBARIAN AM NOT EVER NORMALLY GETTING LOW ENOUGH HPWISE FOR PROBLEM TO BE BEING HAD.

THAT SAID, CONSIDER VIRTUE. AM GIVING 1 TEMPORARY HP THAT AM NORMALLY LOST FIRST, BUT AM NOT GIVING SAVE THROW SO IF AM ENDING RAGE AM TECHNICALLY HAVING 1 HP. GM AM MAYBE SMACKING WITH BOOK FOR TRYING, THOUGH, BECAUSE STRATEGY AM LIKE GOOD PIZZA: EXTRA CHEESE. OTHER THAN THAT, ONLY REAL OPTION AM BURNING EXTRA RAGE ROUNDS FOR HEALING SPELLS AT HALF EFFECT UNTIL AM ABLE TO JUST BARELY NOT BE SUDDENLY DYING.

AS AM PROGRESSING, CONSIDER GETTING DESTROYER BLESSING FEAT ALONGSIDE MERCIFUL WEAPON AS AM LEVELING UP. MERCIFUL AM LETTING BEAT THE CODSARN SNOT OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT AM IN WAY, ALLOWING FOR TAKING ALIVE OR DEAD. ALSO AM LETTING DEAL NONLETHAL DAMAGE WHEN SUNDER, WHICH AM IMPORTANT. DESTROYER BLESSING FEAT AM ALLOWING BARBARIAN SUNDER, AND ON SUCCESSFUL SUNDER CHECK AM GETTING 1 RAGE ROUND BACK IF AM SMASH WHILE RAGING.

MERCIFUL WEAPON AM ALLOWING BARBARIAN SUNDER OBJECT OF NEARBY HEALER TYPE WHO AM NOT ACTUALLY TAKING ITEM DAMAGE DUE TO MERCIFUL WEAPON ENCHANTMENT WHILE STILL SUCCEEDING ON CHECK BECAUSE BARBARIAN AM AWESOME AND NOT FAILING SUNDER CHECK. THIS AM GIVING BARBARIAN INFINITY TIME OF RAGE AFTER BATTLE AM DYING DOWN FOR CASTY TO CAST PIDDLY D8+1 CLW SPELLS ON BARBARIAN FROM WAND, GET HP UP EVEN AFTER SUPERSTITCHIN SAVES AM HALVING DAMAGE.

ALTERNATIVELY, MIX MERCIFUL WEAPON WITH BOOTS OF THE EARTH, AM GETTING FAST HEALING 1 AS MOVE ACTION UNTIL BARBARIAN MOVE OFF SQUARE BARBARIAN AM SPENDING ACTION ON. STAND AROUND SUNDERING OBJECTS FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, LET RAGE GO.

ONLY PROBLEM AM DEFINITELY ADDITIONAL FATIGUE HANGOVER FROM MULTIPLE BONUS ROUNDS IN RAGE. AM MAYBE CONSIDERING STOCKING UP ON ALLNIGHT, NEGATE FATIGUE PENALTIES. AM NOT LIKE BARBARIAN AM USING SKILLS ANYWAY.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Welcome to a big issue of Chained Barbarians. Generally speaking, you shouldn't need to be that low of HP unless you lose initiative and suffer multiple full attacks from high CR baddies, especially if you have DR rolling (as most Barbarians should).

You're right. However, our group has high level of difficulty (approx from CR+2 to CR+5)... So I'm almost every fight at low HP.

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Unchained Barbarian raging instead permits Temporary HP (with cheese prevention of course), so if you're concerned about dying due to lack of HP, Unchained Barbarian rage will be comparable.

I know about this option, but GM do not allow it and I have to do some research... Generally speaking, Chained Barbarians are better 2-H than Unchained because of STR bonus plus they have everything as morale bonus... So, Courageous+Furious is your best friend. But this is for the long discusion...

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Barring that (because of obvious reasons), Moment of Clarity will let you bypass all of the issues that Superstitious proposes, but you only get one round, and it's only once per rage. (At least it's not once per day, so it's usable throughout a given adventuring day. Just make sure to watch your rage rounds.)

Perfect! God bless you! Darksol. That is exacly I was looking for.

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:


And as it turns out, there isn't a magic item that gives you moment of clarity as a rage power. Whoops...

Тhat's a shame... :-/

AM BARBARIAN wrote:
THAT SAID, CONSIDER VIRTUE. AM GIVING 1 TEMPORARY HP THAT AM NORMALLY LOST FIRST, BUT AM NOT GIVING SAVE THROW SO IF AM ENDING RAGE AM TECHNICALLY HAVING 1 HP. GM AM MAYBE SMACKING WITH BOOK FOR TRYING, THOUGH, BECAUSE STRATEGY AM LIKE GOOD PIZZA: EXTRA CHEESE.

Sorry, what do you mean?

AM BARBARIAN wrote:

AS AM PROGRESSING, CONSIDER GETTING DESTROYER BLESSING FEAT ALONGSIDE MERCIFUL WEAPON AS AM LEVELING UP. MERCIFUL AM LETTING BEAT THE CODSARN SNOT OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT AM IN WAY, ALLOWING FOR TAKING ALIVE OR DEAD. ALSO AM LETTING DEAL NONLETHAL DAMAGE WHEN SUNDER, WHICH AM IMPORTANT. DESTROYER BLESSING FEAT AM ALLOWING BARBARIAN SUNDER, AND ON SUCCESSFUL SUNDER CHECK AM GETTING 1 RAGE ROUND BACK IF AM SMASH WHILE RAGING.

MERCIFUL WEAPON AM ALLOWING BARBARIAN SUNDER OBJECT OF NEARBY HEALER TYPE WHO AM NOT ACTUALLY TAKING ITEM DAMAGE DUE TO MERCIFUL WEAPON ENCHANTMENT WHILE STILL SUCCEEDING ON CHECK BECAUSE BARBARIAN AM AWESOME AND NOT FAILING SUNDER CHECK. THIS AM GIVING BARBARIAN INFINITY TIME OF RAGE AFTER BATTLE AM DYING DOWN FOR CASTY TO CAST PIDDLY D8+1 CLW SPELLS ON BARBARIAN FROM WAND, GET HP UP EVEN AFTER SUPERSTITCHIN SAVES AM HALVING DAMAGE.

ALTERNATIVELY, MIX MERCIFUL WEAPON WITH BOOTS OF THE EARTH, AM GETTING FAST HEALING 1 AS MOVE ACTION UNTIL BARBARIAN MOVE OFF SQUARE BARBARIAN AM SPENDING ACTION ON. STAND AROUND SUNDERING OBJECTS FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, LET RAGE GO.

ONLY PROBLEM AM DEFINITELY ADDITIONAL FATIGUE HANGOVER FROM MULTIPLE BONUS ROUNDS IN RAGE. AM MAYBE CONSIDERING STOCKING UP ON ALLNIGHT, NEGATE FATIGUE PENALTIES. AM NOT LIKE BARBARIAN AM USING SKILLS ANYWAY.

Interesting idea! You're genius! Wow! Is it Destroyer’s Blessing + Merciful weapon technique legal?


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AM NOTHING SAYING AM NOT LEGAL. FIRST PART OF DESTROYER BLESSING AM ONLY CHECKING FOR SUCCESS OF SUNDER CHECK, NOT FOR DAMAGE BEING PUT ON ITEM. THAT AM WHAT SECOND PART AM FOR, WHICH AM HEALING.

IF WANTING TO, MAYBE SUNDER COPPER PIECES 1 AT TIME WITHOUT MERCIFUL, GET HEALING AND SUNDER REFRESH BOTH. AM CHEAPER THAN INFERNAL HEALING WAND, PROBABLY.

REGARDING VIRTUE, VIRTUE AM SPELL THAT AM GRANTING 1 TEMPORARY HP, NO SAVE. BARBARIAN NOT PARTICULARLY SURE HOW NEGATIVE HP AM WORKING ALONGSIDE TEMPORARY HP, BUT AM PRETTY SURE THAT IF BARBARIAN AM HAVING HP LEFT, BARBARIAN AM STILL UP?

BARBARIAN REALLY NOT ACTUALLY SURE WHAT AM HAPPENING IF AM AT 0 OR BELOW HP BUT HAVING 1 OR MORE TEMPORARY HP. BARBARIAN NEED GM RULING ON THIS, FOR AM REALM OF DIRTY FIAT.


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AM NOT "AM BARBARIAN," BUT AM DIFFERENT BARBARIAN, AND BARBARIAN AM REMEMBER "EFF-AYE-KYEW" THAT SAY NOT-HP COUNT AS HP FOR STUFFS.

AM USE "PURR-SEP-SHUN" LIKE "AM BARBARIAN" AM TAUGHT BARBARIANS TO DO WHEN FINDING CASTIES TO SMASH LIKE MORNING PANCAKES.

[DICE=AM DIFFERENT BARBARIAN "PURR-SEP-SHUN"]1d20 + 9001[/DICE]

BARBARIAN AM SUCCEED.

AM SEE HOW "AM BARBARIAN" COME UP WITH IDEA, BUT IF DIFFERENT BARBARIAN AM GM, AM NOT WANT CHEESE AT TABLE. TABLE DIFFERENT BARBARIAN AM PLAY AT IS "LAK-TOHS IHN-TAHL-UR-ENT," AND AM SEE OTHER TABLE HAVE SAME THING. SO AM SAY "ASK TALKYMAN GM" IF AM HAS CHEESE OR IF AM "LAK-TOHS IHN-TAHL-UR-ENT."

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