Creation of Undead


Rules Questions


1 person marked this as a favorite.

What are some instances of the lowest levels you can create undead at?

I know as a cleric with the Undead Lord archetype, you can create a corpse companion at first level, but if one wanted to raise a troop of zombies or skeletons to attack an isolated village, what level/circumstances would be necessary to put those plans into motion?

Asking for...a friend.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

Having the spell animate dead, that requires 5th level cleric.


2 people marked this as a favorite.

A Wordcasting cleric (or one with Experimental Spellcaster feat) can use Undeath as a 2nd-level spell from as early as level 3. As a bonus, it's free. Then, make sure you create Plague Zombies to spread the undeath among commoners. If you just want to create a shambling, uncontrolled horde, you don't even need enough HD beyond that needed to raise them in the first place.


Demko Nylander wrote:
Asking for...a friend.

A guy with... friends.

I can... get behind that.

I, too, know a guy.

Demko Nylander wrote:

What are some instances of the lowest levels you can create undead at?

I know as a cleric with the Undead Lord archetype, you can create a corpse companion at first level, but if one wanted to raise a troop of zombies or skeletons to attack an isolated village, what level/circumstances would be necessary to put those plans into motion?

Now, first off, ta be clear, I'm not - and I repeat not - suggesting you... break any laws, ya hear me?

That said... hypothetically... for your... friend... by blatantly ignoring the WBL/TPE guidelines, you could grab a wand of animate dead for 11,250+(50 x onyx cost) gold and hypothetically have up to fifty undead at first level (presupposing you knew the command word), though only 20HD - that's less than ten - of the creatures could be automatically controlled by the wand.

Hypothetically, there's command undead, but that requires either another wand (at 4.5k more gold) or even more expensive item.

'Course, if ya- er... friend, your friend, yes - happened to be a wizard or sorcerer or the like and find someone else's undead all nice an' animated already for ya him-or-her, there shouldn't be anything stopping you said friend from gettin' that wand o' command undead (or casting it yourself themselves, if they have it), ya dig?

EDITExtra: oh, an' as a free bonus - no charge, it's just 'extra' - there's slightly less than optimal items with minor drawbacks that can make things less expensive. Minor things like makin' it 20 degrees cooler nearby, or makin' his hair grow faster, or forcin' a guy to know as much knowledge (arcana) or (undead religion) as he possibly can, or makin' him eat twice as much, sleep twice as much, rename himself "Susan" an' spontaneously turn into a young curly blonde haired girl child with wide innocent eyes, or involuntary alignment changes, or becoming obsessive or paranoid about said item, or needin' to be a spellcaster (or non-spellcaster), or whatnot... you know... minor things...

Now, of course... this is all strictly hypothetical. We're all just... helping friends, here. And if that's what you want to do... help a friend... then - strictly hypothetically, of course... I know a guy...


1 person marked this as a favorite.

If efficiency is not an issue, you could use the lesser version of animate dead, which is 1 spell level lower.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

A 5th level cleric with animate dead and desecrate could raise and then control 20 HD of undead at once, then use command undead (assuming he has the feat) to take/keep control of more. All in addition to his corpse companion, of course.

Control will be the real issue here, though if you're just after shambling mounds it won't be a problem.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

what book is lesser animate undead in >


1 person marked this as a favorite.

According to this, animate dead, lesser is in Ultimate Magic, so here, if you're interested in the official PRD.

EDIT: to clarify the "it" I was discussing


1 person marked this as a favorite.

Linked the Undeath Word and Experimental Spellcaster feat. Undeath is the same level as Lesser Animate Dead, but has virtually the same functionality as the normal version. Really, the lack of an expensive material component is just the cherry on top.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

To clarify, very few GMs use Wordcasting.

Mostly because it's either broke AF or under powered. It's not a very good system, and I haven't seen many people use it.

Liberty's Edge

1 person marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Use Magic Device and the aforementioned wand

Negative Energy Cleric with the Command Undead feat can stalk uncontrolled unintelligent undead and amass her own army one undead at a time at level one :-)


4 people marked this as a favorite.

Outside of spell casting a 3rd level antipaladin who contracted an undead spawning disease, say ghoul fever, could use the plaguebringer ability to spread it while being immune to the effects. Due to their excellent fort saves you'd want to keep exposing yourself to the disease to keep yourself contagious.

Actually anyone could try to keep a ghoul in a box and use this method to make more undead.

The above has no built in control method.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Creation of Undead All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.