stacking of effective levels


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Hi
my monk has a monk's robe and greater unarmed strike as a feat which both increase monk's effective level for damage die. My question is: do they stack? And if they do what would be damage die of a monk of 28th level?


yes and 3d8(for medium)


Lady-J wrote:
yes and 3d8(for medium)

how much would it be for large?


4d8 or 6d6 the table gets wacky for non medium size monks scaling up in levels is really strate forward for medium creatures as theres is a really good pattern to follow but being small or large ruins the pattern and then things must be inferred

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mberni wrote:
greater unarmed strike

This is the pathfinder rules forum. The feat you are asking about is 3rd party. You should move it to the 3rd Party Product forum.

Silver Crusade

That's a nicely unbalanced feat :)

Not in and of itself, because then it seems ok. But precisely because of the stacking with magical items. They should have written it to not stack, like improved critical doesn't stack with keen.

But hey, that's why it's 3rd party ;)


havent realized its 3rd party, but dont know hoe to move it to 3rd party rules questions. Anyway shouldnt 2d10 change to 4d8 when large? then shouldnt it go up by two levels with monks robe and greater unarmed strike? wouldnt that go to 8d8?

Silver Crusade

Well... There're two ways to go, here...

1 You could rule that since 2d10 is the highest listed, you won't go any higher.

2 you could let the list move on past level 20, which would send it from 2d10 to 2d12 to... 2d14??? Probably 3d10
Only THEN would you increase dice for enlargement, going from 3d10 to 8d8.

Enjoy finding more ways to go a size step higher, cuz there are a few ;)


Basically, there is no official way to handle this, so you'll need to ask your DM what the new value is, because it could really be anything.


well the 4d8 come from table for large monk 20th level, my dm agreed that my damage die would progress above 20th level(not the ac) so my question is basically if following the progress from improved natural attack isnt too much


You shouldn't follow the natural attack progression chart.

You follow this following chart.


97d2's for that! cause why not? Officially a monk's damage caps out at 20 and never scales beyond that, so anything above 20 is ask your GM cause there aren't any rules.

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“As if X levels higher” effects won’t stack.


James Risner wrote:
“As if X levels higher” effects won’t stack.

hi is there a source for this?


also would like to ask does permanency enlarge person and strong jaw stack?


thanks everyone for your replies!

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

mberni wrote:
also would like to ask does permanency enlarge person and strong jaw stack?

You can have 1 real size increase (enlarge) and one virtual (strong jaw). Nothing else stacks.


James Risner wrote:
mberni wrote:
also would like to ask does permanency enlarge person and strong jaw stack?
You can have 1 real size increase (enlarge) and one virtual (strong jaw). Nothing else stacks.

Could you link us up to the sources please? It couldn't hurt.


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Air0r wrote:
James Risner wrote:
mberni wrote:
also would like to ask does permanency enlarge person and strong jaw stack?
You can have 1 real size increase (enlarge) and one virtual (strong jaw). Nothing else stacks.
Could you link us up to the sources please? It couldn't hurt.

The FAQ:

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Size increases and effective size increases: How does damage work if I have various effects that change my actual size, my effective size, and my damage dice?

As per the rules on size changes, size changes do not stack, so if you have multiple size changing effects (for instance an effect that increases your size by one step and another that increases your size by two steps), only the largest applies. The same is true of effective size increases (which includes “deal damage as if they were one size category larger than they actually are,” “your damage die type increases by one step,” and similar language). They don’t stack with each other, just take the biggest one. However, you can have one of each and they do work together (for example, enlarge person increasing your actual size to Large and a bashing shield increasing your shield’s effective size by two steps, for a total of 2d6 damage).

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